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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:21 am 
 

The funniest part is that WoTC owns the TSR copyrights, and he certainly didn't buy PDF's from THEM. What a fucking idiot. He needs to be struck by lightning (for 6d6) and removed from the gene pool, to prevent possible breeding.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:55 am 
 

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Sorry , but I will not give you the name of my supplier unless YOU can provide some form of credentials to ME that you are a representative of any or all of the companies you have mentioned. What would make you think I would be willing to give YOU, a customer, information of my supplier at the risk of you trying to purchase items from them directly, that is just bad business.

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What I will do for you however is if you would like to give me your details and the details of the contact person you are dealing with at WOTC, I will email them my supplier details, and ask them to confirm it with you, that is the best I can do, I repeat, I WILL NOT give you my suppliers details directly!



As for you or others reporting the auction to ebay, thats your perogative, but lets not forget, you have BID on the items so you now legally have to pay for them, if you have a problem with the item, you should have sorted that out with myself or ebay BEFORE you bid, NOT affer.

For now I would like a definative reply from you on the matter, if you do or do not have intentions of paying for the items.
If you do , please make the payment, if not I will be taking the matter further with ebay myself regarding YOUR legitimacy as an ebay customer, as it would seem, for whatever reason, you are trying to back out of paying for something you are legally obligated to pay for.

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He's running scared! Does the noob not even realize that I myself would be commiting a crime by buying known copyrighted material? I e-mailed him Andrew's address and told him to clear it with him. Stay tuned for further developments. Back to you, J.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:54 pm 
 

I love how he claims he works for a distributor.  But sadly, there are NONE.

The guy's a moron.



  

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:22 pm 
 

Haven't heard back yet. Lemme check my feedback. Fuck it, I'll just leave him negs.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:29 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5903957801

Had to do it.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:28 am 
 

For some reason I felt like picking fights tonight so I emailed them highly inflammatory comments.  I'll post if I get any funny responses.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:46 pm 
 



If he sends you his address, let me know what it is, he lives just down the road from me.

He has 4 more auctions up for the same item.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:05 pm 
 

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He banned buyitupboi from further auctions because the "TSR distributor" noob gave him a negative, and he has to wait 3 days before he can slap him with negs. Same with this guy, though he is probably sweating that boi bought $180 worth of PDF's from him. Take a walk to his house and bitch-slap him for me for being an ass!


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:51 pm 
 

Frank,

If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion:

If I were to condone shilling these pdf'ers (and of course like all here I do not  :wink:   I would consider either

A.  Not replying for a time to lead the seller on..and on...and on... or
B.  Not reply and then reply that payment is on the way, I sent it via mail (if of course they accept checks. cash, or Money orders etc.), I will pay when my account has the funds, I forgot, I sent it..why did not you recieve it...etc...etc...etc.

By stringing them along you would accomplish a few things:

1.  It would reduce their turnover time.
2.  It would allow the shill account to stay open longer.
3.  It might even hold him off long enough that he does not qualify for the NPB refunds (I know..this is a long shot...by you never know..there are some gullable people out there)..thus costing him a buck or two....

Just some thoughts....if of course....you know of a shiller....


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:53 pm 
 

morgansurname wrote:Frank,

If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion:

If I were to condone shilling these pdf'ers (and of course like all here I do not  :wink:   I would consider either

A.  Not replying for a time to lead the seller on..and on...and on... or
B.  Not reply and then reply that payment is on the way, I sent it via mail (if of course they accept checks. cash, or Money orders etc.), I will pay when my account has the funds, I forgot, I sent it..why did not you recieve it...etc...etc...etc.

By stringing them along you would accomplish a few things:

1.  It would reduce their turnover time.
2.  It would allow the shill account to stay open longer.
3.  It might even hold him off long enough that he does not qualify for the NPB refunds (I know..this is a long shot...by you never know..there are some gullable people out there)..thus costing him a buck or two....

Just some thoughts....if of course....you know of a shiller....


Frank's brawn with your brains could be a pdf murdering machine!  God help the poor sob pdfer whgo gets in your crosshairs!  

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:12 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 85380&rd=1

check out the bonus material.


And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:14 pm 
 

myalbinogorilla wrote:
morgansurname wrote:Frank,

If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion:

If I were to condone shilling these pdf'ers (and of course like all here I do not  :wink:   I would consider either

A.  Not replying for a time to lead the seller on..and on...and on... or
B.  Not reply and then reply that payment is on the way, I sent it via mail (if of course they accept checks. cash, or Money orders etc.), I will pay when my account has the funds, I forgot, I sent it..why did not you recieve it...etc...etc...etc.

By stringing them along you would accomplish a few things:

1.  It would reduce their turnover time.
2.  It would allow the shill account to stay open longer.
3.  It might even hold him off long enough that he does not qualify for the NPB refunds (I know..this is a long shot...by you never know..there are some gullable people out there)..thus costing him a buck or two....

Just some thoughts....if of course....you know of a shiller....


Frank's brawn with your brains could be a pdf murdering machine!  God help the poor sob pdfer whgo gets in your crosshairs!  

I think I'm beginning to like the new morgansurname!


:oops: Thanks...

In fact, that should go double for feedback....you have 90 days ....


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:55 am 
 

Agreed. Some excellent ideas there, Morgan. I will relay them to the proper individuals for incorporation in the Master Plan.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:17 am 
 

Dungeons and Dragons D&D AD&D comp 26 book set vol 2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 21818&rd=1
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:57 am 
 

bbarsh wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 85380&rd=1

check out the bonus material.


I assume you are referring to "Includes some bonus photocopied material (scenarios). " line? Nothing is overtly wrong there.  He doesn't specifically say he has a photocopied B1 or anything...he just says photocopied scenarios.  They could be pieces of crap he wrote up himself, then photocopied.  Unless you buy the lot and see for yourself, or ask him, there's no way of knowing.  And he also skirts a fine line by saying "bonus" in the description....in other words, he isn't selling them, he's just including them in the lot.  I know it's ticky tack, but I used to work for a real estate company and bank that employed a law firm, and there were always questions about what could and could not be photocopied.  In general, unless someone sets up a storefront that specifially states they are selling copywrited photocopied material and charging for it without permission, no one cares.  Ebay may investigate, but this description seems to be just vague enough to pass muster.
   This discussion goes on at the pulp newsgroup all the time, ad nauseum. Personally, I trade photocopied pulp stories with some other collectors.  These are items that are over 50 years old, extremely rare, and never will be reprinted.  There is no profit involved.  Yet there are some people that go ballistic if they find you photocopied anything no matter what the reason.  I really don't care, because it's not my purpose on earth to keep a pulp magazine seller in business by paying him $500 for an issue of Weird Tales to get one oop story I need from the obscure author whose been dead a few decades.
   To bring the issue around to RPGs, if a guy is trying to sell a photocopied B1, I'd just laugh at him.  The PDF can be purchased cheaply and printed out by whoever, why waste the time. Let's take it a step further for discussion purposes.  Say someone was selling photocopies of some long oop non-tsr rarity by a company that no longer exists....let's say, Starstone or Ironhoof Highlands or Curse on Hareth.  Is there a 100% chance these won't ever be reprinted? Would that even matter?   Someone somewhere holds the rights to these properties.  Would selling a photocopy deprive them of income?  Would it gets these items into a larger set of gamers hands, and maybe spur a reprinting or update?  
    Over the years I've made photocopies of all the three above items and given them (not sold) to interested gamers who could not find or afford copies.  I honestly haven't worried about it one way or another, because I felt the properties were obscure enough that I wasn't depriving anyone out of income, including resellers.  Any discussion would be welcome.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:46 am 
 

I think there is a big difference between making photocopies and giving them to a friends/acquaintance as opposed to making copies and then trying to sell them. The whole "you are compensating me for the time and effort I have spent gathering and copying the item" just never holds water. Personally, I think this seller with the photocopies would be far better served just not even mentioning the photocopies and just including them with the package. He is not going to see any extra bidding because of the copies, so why even bother bringing up the potential hassle of having people e-mailing him and complaining.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:58 am 
 

PurpleDragon wrote:I think there is a big difference between making photocopies and giving them to a friends/acquaintance as opposed to making copies and then trying to sell them. The whole "you are compensating me for the time and effort I have spent gathering and copying the item" just never holds water. Personally, I think this seller with the photocopies would be far better served just not even mentioning the photocopies and just including them with the package. He is not going to see any extra bidding because of the copies, so why even bother bringing up the potential hassle of having people e-mailing him and complaining.


This is probably the best idea, occassionally I throw in photocopied articles or handouts that are just taking up space when I sell a item....the last thing I remember is last year including a bunch of photocopied Boot Hill articles from Dragon magazine.  I just included them in the original BH box when I sold it on Ebay.  If I mentioned it, it was along the lines of "Various Boot Hill articles from Dragon magazine included" or something like that.  I don't think it made me any extra profit.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:00 am 
 

Badmike wrote:
He doesn't specifically say he has a photocopied B1 or anything...he just says photocopied scenarios. They could be pieces of crap he wrote up himself, then photocopied. Unless you buy the lot and see for yourself, or ask him, there's no way of knowing. And he also skirts a fine line by saying "bonus" in the description....in other words, he isn't selling them, he's just including them in the lot.


Purpledragon wrote:
Personally, I think this seller with the photocopies would be far better served just not even mentioning the photocopies and just including them with the package. He is not going to see any extra bidding because of the copies, so why even bother bringing up the potential hassle of having people e-mailing him and complaining.


A certain perspective on the entire "copyright infringement" issue needs to always be kept.  Badmike's point is cetainly valid in that he skirts the issue by not specifically stating what is photocopied and calling them "bonus".  By the same token, the advice that Purpledragon gives is sound. . . however, what must be kept in mind is that this guy has no idea about any of this.  Here is someone with "0" feedback who is trying to sell a bunch of D&D stuff for way too much money.  Amongst all the "D&D treasures" he feels he has are some photocopied items - let's imagine his buddy copied some modules "way back in the day."  So he throws them in and calls it a bonus (figuring correctly that is has no value).  

He can't heed Purpledragon's advice because he has absolutely no idea of the enormity of eBay.  The thought that this could even be an issue has not entered his head, nor would he ever imagine that it would be discussed by others (or even any notice taken of it to begin with).  Even if he came right out and stated:  "I am including a photocopied King's Harvest, Keep on the Borderlands and Veiled Society"  would it even matter?  He's just trying to unload his pile of stuff. . .

So, I guess the point I am driving at is this:  this guy's vague description essentially protects him, but if he (or someone else) came right out and stated the photocopied names of TSR/WOTC items they were including should they be reported?  In a case like this - definitely "No".  Judgement must be exercised to stop only those who are blatantly selling copyrighted materials or making them a substantial part of their auction.


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