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Post Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:58 am 
 

Reported the following:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 51185&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 51144&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 51096&rd=1

One day auctions with BIN.  pdfkilla feel free to act...

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:38 am 
 

Shit, I forgot my eBay password! DAMN IT!
Have to get another acct.


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:09 am 
 

Problem solved. PDFer slain.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:15 am 
 

When I said selling copyrighted material is illegal:

Hi again,

Thanks for your email, to explain further:

I am a distributor for a company that has the legal copyright from TSR Inc. So to keep it as simplistic as possible for you  what happens is:
I buy the item (in your case 3 items) from my legal copyright holding supplier and I then on sell the 3 items to you, who is now legally obligated to pay for them as per the ebay terms and conditions you agreed to.

So with all that being said, if you would now like to make your paypal payment, and email me back with your address I will get your order underway.

thanks
J

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who the fuck does this guy think he is? I'm going to report him to eBay, and see if I can get him yanked for fraud.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:21 am 
 

The funniest part is that WoTC owns the TSR copyrights, and he certainly didn't buy PDF's from THEM. What a fucking idiot. He needs to be struck by lightning (for 6d6) and removed from the gene pool, to prevent possible breeding.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:55 am 
 

Reply:

Sorry , but I will not give you the name of my supplier unless YOU can provide some form of credentials to ME that you are a representative of any or all of the companies you have mentioned. What would make you think I would be willing to give YOU, a customer, information of my supplier at the risk of you trying to purchase items from them directly, that is just bad business.

BUT......

What I will do for you however is if you would like to give me your details and the details of the contact person you are dealing with at WOTC, I will email them my supplier details, and ask them to confirm it with you, that is the best I can do, I repeat, I WILL NOT give you my suppliers details directly!



As for you or others reporting the auction to ebay, thats your perogative, but lets not forget, you have BID on the items so you now legally have to pay for them, if you have a problem with the item, you should have sorted that out with myself or ebay BEFORE you bid, NOT affer.

For now I would like a definative reply from you on the matter, if you do or do not have intentions of paying for the items.
If you do , please make the payment, if not I will be taking the matter further with ebay myself regarding YOUR legitimacy as an ebay customer, as it would seem, for whatever reason, you are trying to back out of paying for something you are legally obligated to pay for.

Thanks
J


He's running scared! Does the noob not even realize that I myself would be commiting a crime by buying known copyrighted material? I e-mailed him Andrew's address and told him to clear it with him. Stay tuned for further developments. Back to you, J.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:54 pm 
 

I love how he claims he works for a distributor.  But sadly, there are NONE.

The guy's a moron.



  

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:22 pm 
 

Haven't heard back yet. Lemme check my feedback. Fuck it, I'll just leave him negs.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:29 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5903957801

Had to do it.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:28 am 
 

For some reason I felt like picking fights tonight so I emailed them highly inflammatory comments.  I'll post if I get any funny responses.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:46 pm 
 



If he sends you his address, let me know what it is, he lives just down the road from me.

He has 4 more auctions up for the same item.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:05 pm 
 

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He banned buyitupboi from further auctions because the "TSR distributor" noob gave him a negative, and he has to wait 3 days before he can slap him with negs. Same with this guy, though he is probably sweating that boi bought $180 worth of PDF's from him. Take a walk to his house and bitch-slap him for me for being an ass!


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:51 pm 
 

Frank,

If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion:

If I were to condone shilling these pdf'ers (and of course like all here I do not  :wink:   I would consider either

A.  Not replying for a time to lead the seller on..and on...and on... or
B.  Not reply and then reply that payment is on the way, I sent it via mail (if of course they accept checks. cash, or Money orders etc.), I will pay when my account has the funds, I forgot, I sent it..why did not you recieve it...etc...etc...etc.

By stringing them along you would accomplish a few things:

1.  It would reduce their turnover time.
2.  It would allow the shill account to stay open longer.
3.  It might even hold him off long enough that he does not qualify for the NPB refunds (I know..this is a long shot...by you never know..there are some gullable people out there)..thus costing him a buck or two....

Just some thoughts....if of course....you know of a shiller....


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:53 pm 
 

morgansurname wrote:Frank,

If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion:

If I were to condone shilling these pdf'ers (and of course like all here I do not  :wink:   I would consider either

A.  Not replying for a time to lead the seller on..and on...and on... or
B.  Not reply and then reply that payment is on the way, I sent it via mail (if of course they accept checks. cash, or Money orders etc.), I will pay when my account has the funds, I forgot, I sent it..why did not you recieve it...etc...etc...etc.

By stringing them along you would accomplish a few things:

1.  It would reduce their turnover time.
2.  It would allow the shill account to stay open longer.
3.  It might even hold him off long enough that he does not qualify for the NPB refunds (I know..this is a long shot...by you never know..there are some gullable people out there)..thus costing him a buck or two....

Just some thoughts....if of course....you know of a shiller....


Frank's brawn with your brains could be a pdf murdering machine!  God help the poor sob pdfer whgo gets in your crosshairs!  

I think I'm beginning to like the new morgansurname!


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:12 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 85380&rd=1

check out the bonus material.


And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:14 pm 
 

myalbinogorilla wrote:
morgansurname wrote:Frank,

If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion:

If I were to condone shilling these pdf'ers (and of course like all here I do not  :wink:   I would consider either

A.  Not replying for a time to lead the seller on..and on...and on... or
B.  Not reply and then reply that payment is on the way, I sent it via mail (if of course they accept checks. cash, or Money orders etc.), I will pay when my account has the funds, I forgot, I sent it..why did not you recieve it...etc...etc...etc.

By stringing them along you would accomplish a few things:

1.  It would reduce their turnover time.
2.  It would allow the shill account to stay open longer.
3.  It might even hold him off long enough that he does not qualify for the NPB refunds (I know..this is a long shot...by you never know..there are some gullable people out there)..thus costing him a buck or two....

Just some thoughts....if of course....you know of a shiller....


Frank's brawn with your brains could be a pdf murdering machine!  God help the poor sob pdfer whgo gets in your crosshairs!  

I think I'm beginning to like the new morgansurname!


:oops: Thanks...

In fact, that should go double for feedback....you have 90 days ....


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:55 am 
 

Agreed. Some excellent ideas there, Morgan. I will relay them to the proper individuals for incorporation in the Master Plan.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:17 am 
 

Dungeons and Dragons D&D AD&D comp 26 book set vol 2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 21818&rd=1
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:57 am 
 

bbarsh wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 85380&rd=1

check out the bonus material.


I assume you are referring to "Includes some bonus photocopied material (scenarios). " line? Nothing is overtly wrong there.  He doesn't specifically say he has a photocopied B1 or anything...he just says photocopied scenarios.  They could be pieces of crap he wrote up himself, then photocopied.  Unless you buy the lot and see for yourself, or ask him, there's no way of knowing.  And he also skirts a fine line by saying "bonus" in the description....in other words, he isn't selling them, he's just including them in the lot.  I know it's ticky tack, but I used to work for a real estate company and bank that employed a law firm, and there were always questions about what could and could not be photocopied.  In general, unless someone sets up a storefront that specifially states they are selling copywrited photocopied material and charging for it without permission, no one cares.  Ebay may investigate, but this description seems to be just vague enough to pass muster.
   This discussion goes on at the pulp newsgroup all the time, ad nauseum. Personally, I trade photocopied pulp stories with some other collectors.  These are items that are over 50 years old, extremely rare, and never will be reprinted.  There is no profit involved.  Yet there are some people that go ballistic if they find you photocopied anything no matter what the reason.  I really don't care, because it's not my purpose on earth to keep a pulp magazine seller in business by paying him $500 for an issue of Weird Tales to get one oop story I need from the obscure author whose been dead a few decades.
   To bring the issue around to RPGs, if a guy is trying to sell a photocopied B1, I'd just laugh at him.  The PDF can be purchased cheaply and printed out by whoever, why waste the time. Let's take it a step further for discussion purposes.  Say someone was selling photocopies of some long oop non-tsr rarity by a company that no longer exists....let's say, Starstone or Ironhoof Highlands or Curse on Hareth.  Is there a 100% chance these won't ever be reprinted? Would that even matter?   Someone somewhere holds the rights to these properties.  Would selling a photocopy deprive them of income?  Would it gets these items into a larger set of gamers hands, and maybe spur a reprinting or update?  
    Over the years I've made photocopies of all the three above items and given them (not sold) to interested gamers who could not find or afford copies.  I honestly haven't worried about it one way or another, because I felt the properties were obscure enough that I wasn't depriving anyone out of income, including resellers.  Any discussion would be welcome.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:46 am 
 

I think there is a big difference between making photocopies and giving them to a friends/acquaintance as opposed to making copies and then trying to sell them. The whole "you are compensating me for the time and effort I have spent gathering and copying the item" just never holds water. Personally, I think this seller with the photocopies would be far better served just not even mentioning the photocopies and just including them with the package. He is not going to see any extra bidding because of the copies, so why even bother bringing up the potential hassle of having people e-mailing him and complaining.

  
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