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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:07 pm

This looks like a copyright infringement. In the item write up the description is:

"enrire book in digital format, ,
its an Ebook, in which the whole book has been scanned
into digital acrobat format,
for ease of use and eliminates printing costs. This means lower costs all round.[i]"

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:11 pm

Just thinking...if I own a copy of the work in question, is buying an unauthorized electronic copy still a violation of copyright law?

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:23 pm

jasonw1239 wrote:This looks like a copyright infringement...

Why, thank you. He's stealing my work and my royalties.
Time to notify the US and Canadian governments.
Maybe I can have him shot...

(Later:)

I contacted seller cliveantom about his sale of a scanned version of Marvelous Magic (he's in Norwich, Norfolk, UK), and he sneered. ::shrug:: And then eBay pulled it, possibly after my formal Complaint.

Does the UK recognize American copyright law?

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:53 pm

MShipley88 wrote:Just thinking...if I own a copy of the work in question, is buying an unauthorized electronic copy still a violation of copyright law?

Buying and/or possession of an unauthorized copy, electronic or not, is generally not a violation of copyright law. Selling and/or distribution of said items are, regardless of whether or not the buyer already has a copy. Making a copy is usually legal, if it is for personal use. The media in question is irrelevant, so long as you don't breach the conditions of the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act".

You should definitely read the US Code, Title 17, Chapters 1, 5, & 12 (the last being the much-hated DMCA). International copyright law is relatively standard, as most countries have adoped a framework known as the Berne convention. However, I am not a lawyer. :wink:

U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law of the United States

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:04 pm

Is that true? A lot of books state that they can in no part be copied or converted into a different type of media. In some cases the books explicitly says you are allowed to photocopy the character sheets or players map but that's all.

I don't think it is legal to make a copy even if you own the product. But I don't think you would ever get charged for doing this either. The popo have better things to do. Copying and selling for profit is a more serious offence.

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:15 pm

I was just looking at the copyright code and will point out this:

§ 506. Criminal offenses5

(a) Criminal Infringement. - Any person who infringes a copyright willfully either -

(1) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or

(2) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000

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Suppose you made yourself a copy of ST1 for your own safe keeping. This would then be a crimial offence. By (2) you have made a reproduction of something which has a retail value of $1,000. I guess they would have to argue that the copy was actually worth that much though - maybe.

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:14 pm

Mars wrote:I was just looking at the copyright code and will point out this:

§ 506. Criminal offenses5

(a) Criminal Infringement. - Any person who infringes a copyright willfully either -

(1) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or

(2) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000

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Suppose you made yourself a copy of ST1 for your own safe keeping. This would then be a crimial offence. By (2) you have made a reproduction of something which has a retail value of $1,000. I guess they would have to argue that the copy was actually worth that much though - maybe.

Nope. You didn't finish the legal sentence, there. I'll paraphrase, taking out the superfluous bits:

"Anyone who infringes a copyright of something worth $1000...."

and that's it, we're left hanging. What happens to them? Well, the section goes on to state:

US Code wrote:shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, United States Code. For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement.

There ya go. So if you do infringe, willingly, and do it on something expensive, it becomes a criminal offense. You can go to jail, as opposed to just paying fines and such. If you want the juicy details, read title 18, section 2319. Up to ten years!

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:19 pm

Does anyone else find it strange that two Canucks are debating the US Code? Man, our laws are boring! :lol:

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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:11 pm

And I suppose the Canadian codes make interesting reading?

For instance, here is the equivalent code in the Canadian law books:

"Aye...ya cannah' make yer copies o' stuff fer nuthin', aye? Avec parlez le codes du legal non copy par fu les carbonage, no?"

You see...law in Canada is just as boring and technical as law in the US, with the added complication of parallel translations in Latin.

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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:28 pm

MShipley88 wrote:For instance, here is the equivalent code in the Canadian law books:

"Aye...ya cannah' make yer copies o' stuff fer nuthin', aye? Avec parlez le codes du legal non copy par fu les carbonage, no?"

That must be from one of the pirate provinces out east.

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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:21 pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:01 pm

Reported him.

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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:03 pm

Me Too

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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:09 am

i've also reported him and also sent him a msg through ebay telling he he is breaching copyright too.

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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:55 pm

The seller has ended the auction early, I guess your email message to him did the trick.

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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:16 pm

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What an ass. Everyone who reports this stuff, please report this one. It's a blatant attempt at covering his illegal tracks.

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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:38 pm

Done.

I always wonder if these guys need a legal justification or only a moral justification for what they do.

They have to know that these things are copyrighted, and that "out of print" does not mean "public domain."

Mark

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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:38 pm

deimos3428 wrote:
** expired/removed eBay auction **

What an ass. Everyone who reports this stuff, please report this one. It's a blatant attempt at covering his illegal tracks.

hes tried to sell these before - some time ago - i have reported him and msg'd him before and he gave me a load of ol' baloney.

Al

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