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Post Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:16 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:If you did buy a download from RPG now I am assuming they would give you a "single-use" license (I am making up that term) or something of that nature.  Wouldn't you be entitled to sell the item one time, provided you deleted it from your computer?  It would be the same as buying a hardcover book and selling it to someone else.  The difference, of course, is that it is much is easier to make copies of pdfs.

It would also be the same as buying Windows XP, installing it and then selling your computer and transfering the product code and license.  I think all software allows for licenses to be transferred.

Assume nothing.  It is ambiguous in the US courts.  It has not been conclusively determined whether the sale of software is a sale of goods (and thus transferable via "first-sale doctrine"), or the sale of a license (in which case rights are determined by that licence, if explicitly stated.)

In the case of digital documents, where no physical copy exists (such as downloaded PDFs), it would be very difficult for any judge to rule in favor of a sale of goods.  

I haven't actually read Microsoft's EULA for Windows XP, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn it isn't transferable to another machine.  (If both machines are yours, do it anyway -- they don't seem to mind.)
See here for waaay too much info:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctri ... r_software

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:42 pm 
 

guerret wrote:You think it's stupid? It is. Welcome to law.

That being said, one type of crime is illegally owning copyrighted material, another totally different one is obtaining backup copies in ways which would theoretically be illegal. As long as you have paid the right for something, you may have a backup copy, and that right in my eye supersedes any other rule (well, almost... you can't kill someone to get his backups).

It's even stupider* than that.  Despite what the aggressive "anti-piracy" ad campaigns might lead you to believe, copyright infringement is not theft.  Don't get me wrong, it's still bad.  Feel free to tell your kids it's theft, but that's not a legal definition:

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/5002/theft.html

It's illegal to reproduce and distribute copyrighted material without the license.  Simple possession of copyrighted material is not illegal in the US, unlike stolen property.  

It is illegal in the UK, if it is in possession "in the course of a business". (Chap. II, 23(a) of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act, 1988.)  No such provision exists in the US Code, as far as I'm aware.

opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_1988004 ... htm#mdiv23

*I know, I know "more stupid".  I was going for irony.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:40 pm 
 

Here's a great one...


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"No more books all over the table like in the photo when writing or taking part in an epic campaign because all the below 2nd edition Advanced Dungeon and Dragon Books are in an electronic format -- forget bring loads of books to a gaming session, just print off the pages you need. (laid out exactly like the books but without the art work)"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8772772621


And from another of his auctions:

"@@[email protected]@ NOTE TO EBAY STAFF - THE ABOVE MATERIAL IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN @@[email protected]@"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8772777045

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:45 pm 
 

guerret wrote:Actually I made several reports to this guy, but he never replied to me. I believe he doesn't care that much.

Maybe there's someone higher up who can take care of HIM?  :wink:


I think the poster 'mearls' works for WOTC.  It might make sense to ask him who the reports should be sent to.

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:35 am 
 

deimos3428 wrote:Simple possession of copyrighted material is not illegal in the US, unlike stolen property.


Good for you. It is under European laws.

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:29 am 
 

Possession of copyrighted material is not illegal in Scotland either, but distribution and use of copyrighted material is illegal.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:30 pm 
 

NetRodent wrote:Here's a great one...


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"No more books all over the table like in the photo when writing or taking part in an epic campaign because all the below 2nd edition Advanced Dungeon and Dragon Books are in an electronic format -- forget bring loads of books to a gaming session, just print off the pages you need. (laid out exactly like the books but without the art work)"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8772772621


And from another of his auctions:

"@@[email protected]@ NOTE TO EBAY STAFF - THE ABOVE MATERIAL IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN @@[email protected]@"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8772777045


    I think there is a group of guys out there who honestly believe that "Open License" means "License to Steal."


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:59 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8773400486


Another dumbass.....
I might have to get in touch with pdfkilla again. This sort of stuff needs a dedicated account.

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:54 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8773400486


Another dumbass.....
I might have to get in touch with pdfkilla again. This sort of stuff needs a dedicated account.


Notice the seller (chimneyscott) is 'No longer a registered user'.  Nice to see another loser booted.

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:20 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:28 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:(bows)


*applauds*


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:01 pm 
 

Not sure if anyone has reported this guy ( aside from me ) :

Dungeons and Dragons 3rd Edition | eBay

I know it's only 3rd edition but just on principal....  :D

  


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:09 pm 
 

Lordan wrote:Not sure if anyone has reported this guy ( aside from me ) :

Dungeons and Dragons 3rd Edition | eBay

I know it's only 3rd edition but just on principal....  :D


Oh, he is a return edition. :x    That same guy got booted for selling illegal pdfs like 6, maybe 8 months ago under a very similar user name. Something like just "dvdexpess" or some such thing.  I guess he figures that its been long enough and that the world needs his illegal material again. :roll:


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:20 pm 
 

good work guys - nice to see the effort expended is paying some dividends!



  


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:47 am 
 

Hey All,

Has anyone reported this guy yet?  He's giving away free CDs of the Forgotten Realms Atlas apparently.  When asked whether the CD was burned or a licensed copy he replied:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... L:RTQ:US:1

"it is not a retail product"

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:25 pm 
 

This what ure looking for? Same guy as before, I think...

(sorry if this is already posted)

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd Edition | eBay

  


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:28 pm 
 

Ahem, silly me, bad link.  Left my brains in the dicebag...Item number is: 8786118291

  


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:58 pm 
 

2 DVD's of D&D E-Books ($149 BIN)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8786203167

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:15 am 
 

I'll ask him where they come from. If they are not legit......wham!
On an interesting note, dvd_express, the guy selling shitloads of pdf's, called me today. I played stupid until I got him to admit he bought them from China. Then I told him flat-out that what he was doing was illegal, and to PLEASE complain to eBay. He didn't take it too well.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:52 pm 
 

NetRodent wrote:2 DVD's of D&D E-Books ($149 BIN)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8786203167


Read the spelling on the advert there. I reckon this lot are coming direct from the far east just going by the standard of English on the ad and b) the random email addresses. Take alot to shut these suckers down I'd expect...

  
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