chromaticknight wrote:My 4th print with white flyleaf matches all the points above.Seems like the 4th print entry needs split into 4th print ( red flyleaf ) and 4th plus print ( white flyleaf )errr something like that. Unless, of course, someone comes up with a 4th white that doesnt match the points above. Then we have more fun to look into.Mike
TheMilford wrote:Geez, I wish people would take my B/X thread this seriously...
SimperingToad wrote:My red 4th matches the 1" stitch.My white 4th in a bit inconsistent. It appears to be 7/8" for most, but fluctuates on either side for some. It may not be the best example.
SimperingToad wrote:I'm not entirely certain that binding distance would work. A company as big as Random House would likely have several binding machines, probably of different makes/models (they wouldn't all be purchased at once), so it could be that different print runs would be bound on different binders.
deimos3428 wrote:It may well be further evidence that the 1st DMG predates August 1979, something we were talking about long long ago in a thread far far away.
deimos3428 wrote:The move from 5/8" to 1" seems to be somewhere in August 1979, just after the 1st DMG. (This should be further evidenced by a PHB 5th having 1" spacing, if anyone can confirm that hypothesis.) It may well be further evidence that the 1st DMG predates August 1979, something we were talking about long long ago in a thread far far away.
chromaticknight wrote:My 5th print PHB has 1" spacing on the stitching.
deimos3428 wrote:This is going to take more head-banging that I can afford at the moment
MetamorphosisSigma wrote:Let me preface what I'm about to post by acknowledging that I'm coming to this discussion late, so please let me know if I'm covering old ground or if I am misunderstanding the issues involved..One of my Monster Manuals appears to be a red 4th, per this description:1. (as TheMilford asked) It does NOT have the yellow and red sewn binding as the other "4th Red" 2. States "Distributed to the book trade in the United States by Random House..." on the title page, as in your "4th White" 3. Hydra illustration is raised, as in your "4th White" 4. There are no prices shown and the spacing looks exactly the same between "Star Probe" and "Star Empires" as in your "4th White" EDIT: 5. Also, there's an ISBN on the bottom of the title page HOWEVER, I measured the distance between stitches and found that it is 5/8", not 1" as someone stated it should be, above. I'm not sure if this is noteworthy or not, but figured I might as well chime in. I can provide pictures if needed.
MetamorphosisSigma wrote:Okay, bearing with... Have the MM handy. EDIT: Okay, so far I'm a 4th Beta, except that I measure the stiches at 5/8" apart, which contradicts this:MMs: 1st - 5/8" 2nd - 3/8" 3rd/3rd plus - 5/8" 4th (red) - 1" 4th (white) - 1" 5th - 1 1/4" 6th - ?? 7th - glued