deimos3428 wrote:In light of this evidence, I move that the 4th Beta/Gamma be listed as 5th Alpha/Beta, with the original 5th now a 5th Gamma. I see no other reasonable solution.
SimperingToad wrote:As per the comment on the 1st print MM description, Random House had always been the printer/distributor (unless I'm reading that incorrectly).
deimos3428 wrote:Now, going back full circle to page one of the thread: Can the owners of this proposed new 5th Alpha/Beta tell us whether the "errata" is present/absent? This may help confirm the ordering of the printings (or not).
MetamorphosisSigma wrote:My "4th Beta" (5th Alpha/Beta?) also incorporates all of the errata listed there, with the exception of this item:"Giant: The sentence about giant strength found in the introduction should read, "All giants are very strong, with strengths ranging from 19 to 24 as compared to humans." emphasis mineIn contrast, my "4th Beta" (5th Alpha/Beta) reads:"All giants are very strong, with strengths ranging from 19 to 25 as compared to humans." emphasis mineBUT, I also checked my 5th (later 5th, that is) for this sentence, and it ALSO states "25" as opposed to "24". Therefore I'm guessing this is simply an error in the MM errata section of the Acaeum, rather than a piece of errata included in The Dragon #35. Easy enough to check! Getting my TD #35 now......Okay, the errata in TD #35 reads exactly as the Acaeum MM errata page ("19 to 24"), so this either means this particular piece of errata was never incorporated into an actual printing, or it was done after my 5th print. Can someone check that? The latest printing I have is 5th.
MetamorphosisSigma wrote:My "4th Beta" (5th Alpha/Beta?) also incorporates all of the errata listed there, with the exception of this item:
"Giant: The sentence about giant strength found in the introduction should read, "All giants are very strong, with strengths ranging from 19 to 24 as compared to humans." emphasis mineIn contrast, my "4th Beta" (5th Alpha/Beta) reads:"All giants are very strong, with strengths ranging from 19 to 25 as compared to humans." emphasis mine
deimos3428 wrote:What it states in Dragon 35 is correct; I do not know if it made it into the books or not. Only Titans have 25 STR.
deimos3428 wrote:4th Alpha (Red): Does not have right-justified prices on page 112, but does have "(booklet only $4.00)" after STAR PROBE description, and "(booklet only $5.50)" after STAR EMPIRES description. Also states "send $2.00 for our catalog." in the last paragraph. I am assuming it came first because it still has some prices. I have one of these.
TheHistorian wrote:So that seems to be a match to 4th Alpha (Red) except for the $2.00 difference.
deimos3428 wrote:Going back to this earlier post, I have further questions regarding potpourri for all you folks with "new" printing variants, and also if the DMG is listed as a future release or not on pg 111
deimos3428 wrote:Argh! I think this may be an error on my part; I will confirm tonight if the 4th Alpha (my copy, anyway...) has this or not.
deimos3428 wrote:My (hopefully) comprehensive list of printing notes from the 3rd Plus through 5th. Asterisks indicate a change from the immediately previous printing, question marks mean I'm not sure. If you note any errors, let me know.4th Gamma?Front Cover: ?Yellow-banner reads "ADVANCED D&D" and black outlined letters???; Wizard logo; *smooth textured??? correct?Flyleafs: White, *lighter paper weight??? probably correct, though I don't think much lighter - very hard to tell?Pages: *rough??? smooth paper*Stitching: *approx 1", 11 or 12 stitches exactly 7/8"; 13 stitches, the last one is 3/4"Rear Cover: ISBN correctSpine: New spine correct*Copyright Page: "TM"; "4th Edition, August, 1979"; Jean Wells credit; *"Distributed to the book trade in the United States by Random House.."; center justified "Inquiries..." lines; ISBN; all correctGiants: 19-25 correctHydra: Smaller raised illustration correctVampire: "per round of immersion" correctPage 111: No prices; DMG not listed as "Future Release" correct, only The Dragon has pricesPage 112: No prices; No prices next to STAR PROBE; No prices next to STAR EMPIRES; "send for our catalog."; "potpourri" Gencon ad correct-------------------------------------------------------5thFront Cover: *Yellow-banner reads "ADVANCED D&D" and black outlined letters???; Wizard logo; *smooth textured no black outline, plus TM added?Flyleafs: White, *lighter paper weight see 4th Gamma?Pages: *rough correct*Stitching: *approx 1 1/4", *8 or 9 stitches appears to be correct; the binding is very tight, so it's hard to tell with certaintyRear Cover: ISBNSpine: New spine Copyright Page: "TM"; "4th Edition, August, 1979"; Jean Wells credit; "Distributed to the book trade in the United States by Random House.."; center justified "Inquiries..." lines; ISBN;Giants: 19-25Hydra: Smaller raised illustrationVampire: "per round of immersion"Page 111: *Overhauled catalog*Page 112: *Overhauled catalog; *"send for our free catalog."; *"potpourri" line removed from Gencon ad
deimos3428 wrote:-------------------------------------------------------4th BetaFront Cover: Yellow-banner reads "ADVANCED D&D"; black outlined letters; Wizard logo; rough textured Flyleafs: Red, heavy paper weightPages: smooth*Stitching: *approx 5/8", 17 or 18 stitchesRear Cover: ISBN Spine: New spineCopyright Page: "TM"; "4th Edition, August, 1979"; Jean Wells credit; center justified "Inquiries..." lines; ISBN;Giants: 19-25*Hydra: *Smaller raised illustrationVampire: "per round of immersion"Page 111: No prices; DMG not listed as "Future Release"*Page 112: No prices; *No prices next to STAR PROBE; *No prices next to STAR EMPIRES; "send for our catalog."; "potpourri" Gencon ad-------------------------------------------------------
SimperingToad wrote:See bolded notes. I wouldn't put too much stock into the smooth vs. rough text paper as a divider. There are too many things which can affect that decision, not the least of which is having to meet a deadline, so one uses what is at hand rather than waiting a day or two for a shipment of paper. I've seen that one all too often in the last few years. It's possible, but it could also just be a victim of circumstance.
