Sir Clarence wrote:Yes, nearly all those maps were done very early on, in 2005 IIRC. I wasn't even very proficient with the program at that time and, to be honest, if it wouldn't have delayed the whole publishing process even more and wouldn't be that much work, I would have redrawn all of them because - even for colored CC2 maps - they're truly looking out of date today. The ones for L5 (which will probably be published later this year, although I'm very careful with these kind of prognoses after the L4 experience) are looking much better, at least IMHO. But sadly, they will still be colored and not looking oldschool at all.
mbassoc2003 wrote:This fanzine free fan fiction crap is just that. GB, LL and DF should hang their heads in shame.
deimos3428 wrote:C'mon now, be fair. The module was worth the price. Sounds like they got tired of working on it and decided to put something out the door.
mbassoc2003 wrote:The original notes whould have been far more useful and valuable to the community, and I'd be willing to bet they didn't contain the amount of typos and errors that the final fluff did. At the price, DF could have given us a far more usable and valuable work three years earlier. That arguement doesn't really stand up.
deimos3428 wrote:So you're saying you'd rather have nothing, than something that doesn't measure up?
mbassoc2003 wrote:No. I'm saying I'd rather the original design notes were presented in their original condition rather that what was eventially regurgetated out of the DF machine. DF have either destroyed something or what was there in the first place was already horrific. At least if the original NS were presented we'd know whether or not Len really wanted it that bad. I suspect not. I'd suggest DF are responsible.
Gnat the Beggar wrote:I wasted a lot of time downloading it, wasted some paper and ink printing some of the pages, and wasted more time (a lot more time) reading it.
mbassoc2003 wrote:DF have either destroyed something or what was there in the first place was already horrific.
mbassoc2003 wrote:MetamorphosisSigma - As with most people I type on the fly. I am sure, has I been publishing a document (as I do every day) I would have taken a few moments to spell check and correct errors.Badmike - I have always offered to work for free. Both cartography and proofreading. I don't think they are serious about it, or care that much. They run ads like that every so often.As I see it, they only need ONE person to proofread something and ONE person to correct setout. Inconsistencies and ambiguities should have been picked up by the playtesting. Then the additional or clarified text added, and finally someone should have gone through every page looking for spelling mistakes and poor grammer. And even poor grammer is tolerable if the words are complete and correct.
JohnGaunt wrote:As I said before . . . if anyone has questions or concerns, then PM Gnarley.I agree with Mike; I suspect that posting at DF will end badly, especially since Len has an L4 thread.
"GB, I really appreciate all the hard you guys did putting this long project together, however upon reviewing it, I believe that there were some editing/proofreading errors in it that may have been overlooked in the process. I would love to be able to work on potentially removing some of these errors that I believe were overlooked and I will happily work at no charge as yourself and others have done through this long process, on the simple contingency that if I do do it, that you will give it a fair look as a viable corrected version for download once it's completed by me. Let me know what you think"
bclarkie wrote:I think some of you are being ridiculous, to say the least. With that said, DF is calling on folks to offer their services, for free none-the-less:http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... 45&start=0So feel free to offer your time and make things better for the next release, so it's not substandard. Based on the some of these angry posts, I'll expect to see several offers to help, right?
bbarsh wrote:Brian,I hope you are not suggesting that people can't be critical because they did not volunteer to help with that project.