JohnGaunt wrote:While this Acaeum thead is good for Acaeum members to sort out the problems with L4, Dragonsfoot is really the place to post or PM criticisms and suggestions.For example, I can post "Can a revised and corrected version be released soon? Such a version should be easy to produce now that the rough draft has been savaged" all day long at the Acaeum, but that has no real effect on Dragonsfoot.Politely PMing GnarleyBones and others might be effective in getting some response to the concerns listed in this thread.
Quote from Gnarley:Yes, by all means, please list your errata after it's posted; I can perfectly understand how the speedy production prevented the editors from making all the necessary changes. We're not making any changes; all editing should have been completed long ago.
Sir Clarence wrote:Being the one who made the maps, all I can say is that Len was adamant in his wish that they should be drawn with CC2 and also look this way.Some of you might know that I much more prefer the old blue&white map style myself, and usually draw these for other DF modules as well as for Black Blade Publishing for example. I tried to persuade Len to use maps like these, but he denied, and since he was the boss, things went on as he wanted them. I wish it would have been different, but it shouldn't be so. Still, it was great fun working together with Len on this.
bbarsh wrote:Is it just me or is really very little buzz about this release. Over at DF there is surprisingly very little comment other than a few congrats to LL who added a Q/A thread. How long have people been waiting for this thing. I know it took more than 4 years, but the rumors of additional L series mods have been around much longer than that. And when you consider this is about as close to a TSR release as you will ever see again, I am astounded by the lackluster reception. Crap, there is moe posted here about it than over at DF. I only drop in from time to time over there and pretty much stay in the classic D&D thread.
Badmike wrote:Were these done early in the process (i.e. a few years ago?). I would have thought more publications the last few years using the blue/white scheme might have persuaded Len otherwise.
Badmike wrote:On a 3rd read through it strikes me how difficult the entire thing is to even make sense of....not a good thing. I don't even think you can "play" this module.....it's more like a sourcebook of locations than anything else.
Sir Clarence wrote:After all this correspondence with Len, I got the impression that his dream is to one day have the whole of Lendore Isle published that way.
Sir Clarence wrote:Yes, nearly all those maps were done very early on, in 2005 IIRC. I wasn't even very proficient with the program at that time and, to be honest, if it wouldn't have delayed the whole publishing process even more and wouldn't be that much work, I would have redrawn all of them because - even for colored CC2 maps - they're truly looking out of date today. The ones for L5 (which will probably be published later this year, although I'm very careful with these kind of prognoses after the L4 experience) are looking much better, at least IMHO. But sadly, they will still be colored and not looking oldschool at all.
mbassoc2003 wrote:This fanzine free fan fiction crap is just that. GB, LL and DF should hang their heads in shame.
deimos3428 wrote:C'mon now, be fair. The module was worth the price. Sounds like they got tired of working on it and decided to put something out the door.
mbassoc2003 wrote:The original notes whould have been far more useful and valuable to the community, and I'd be willing to bet they didn't contain the amount of typos and errors that the final fluff did. At the price, DF could have given us a far more usable and valuable work three years earlier. That arguement doesn't really stand up.
deimos3428 wrote:So you're saying you'd rather have nothing, than something that doesn't measure up?
mbassoc2003 wrote:No. I'm saying I'd rather the original design notes were presented in their original condition rather that what was eventially regurgetated out of the DF machine. DF have either destroyed something or what was there in the first place was already horrific. At least if the original NS were presented we'd know whether or not Len really wanted it that bad. I suspect not. I'd suggest DF are responsible.
Gnat the Beggar wrote:I wasted a lot of time downloading it, wasted some paper and ink printing some of the pages, and wasted more time (a lot more time) reading it.
mbassoc2003 wrote:DF have either destroyed something or what was there in the first place was already horrific.