bbarsh wrote:Mike,I can't believe I am saying this, but I will do it unless someone else has a strong desire.I would need a few people to help out. 1) Somebody needs to convert that pdf into a word document.2) Somebody to help with the maps.3) A shitload of proofreaders and possible playtesters.I will take care of the rewrite and redesign. In my opinion, it needs a complete redesign so it can be in ready to play format.I will also work on getting some illustrators on board.All that and we can turn this puppy around in short order.
ashmire13 wrote:FWIW, I've converted L4 and the Companion to Word and run a spell & grammar check through it, which took around 90 minutes.I've read sections that just don't flow correctly, but haven't started re-working sentence structure as such. If anyone wants a Word doc copy to play with, just PM me with your email.
Badmike wrote:Egg, I respect the helloutta you, but this: Egg of Coot wrote:At one point, there was essentially no one left on the DF Production Team.simply drives me nuts. Where was the general call to arms when everyone dropped out? Did you guys post at different venues (like here) for help? Wouldn't that have been preferable to the months and years that did crawl by with NOTHING being done? You couldn't approach a SINGLE publsher in the OSR field and see if they would work pro bono? Not make a single post over here asking for help? Enworld? Knights and Knaves? Tome of Treasures? Trolllords? Pied Piper? Who lets a project languish for months upon years without updates, or asking for help?You guys absolutely dropped the ball, sorry. Maybe I'm totally off base and if so I apologize, but it sounds like egos got more important than actually putting out a product you guys could be proud of.
Egg of Coot wrote:At one point, there was essentially no one left on the DF Production Team.
Badmike wrote:Egg of Coot wrote:It's one of the main reasons I've come to to really despise the hobby these days.If you despise the hobby I really feel sorry for you, Egg, and I mean that sincerely. Maybe that's not the best person to have a hand in producing things for DF, and I also mean that sincerely.
Egg of Coot wrote:It's one of the main reasons I've come to to really despise the hobby these days.
Fid wrote:Just a suggestion, but don't you guys think you owe Len enough respect to run your proposal by him first, get his buy-in and then allow him to sign-off on the final product?
His own statement about an L-4.1 version seems to invite tinkering.
FormCritic wrote:On a second reading, however:I'm sure that at some point there will be L4.1 correcting the little stuffPerhaps that indicates that the author does not see all that much wrong with the existing text. Perhaps a lighter tread really is called for.
Egg of Coot wrote:At the end of the day my likes and dislikes are my business. And, once again, I'm not producing anything for DF.The Egg
Fid wrote:Just a suggestion, but don't you guys think you owe Len enough respect to run your proposal by him first, get his buy-in and then allow him to sign-off on the final product?You all seem worried about protecting his legacy, but did you ever think that maybe he has some of his own views on how he wants his material presented for future generations?His biggest fear from Day 1 was that some editor would take L4 completely out of his hands and redo it (as was tried with L1 and as happened with L3). If an Acaeum version or joint DF/Acaeum version is where you end up, don't you think it would be more credible if Len endorsed it?Do you really want to host something that Len disclaims like L3?
Fid wrote:Bingo! Did it every occur to any of you folks that us poorly educated (thanks Ian) folks over at DF may have actually recognized the structure and flow issues years ago?Lets huddle with the DF team (Gnarley, Steve and Solo) and decide on whether we want to approach Len on more than the "little stuff". Also, imagine if you were Len and stumbled on this thread (including my side Porn adventure). Re-read some of this stuff and tell me how you would react.
A simple reorganization of material...such as placing the adventure in a more approachable context within the background material...might do wonders for the text. And who would really object to free quality artwork and additional maps?
Always remember it's YOURS now so do the fix you feel right and go forward.
I'm sure that at some point there will be L4.1 correcting the little stuff but that is up to Dragonsfoot.
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Badmike wrote:Once again, no one is touching Len's stuff. If we do this it's for our own personal enjoyment
Badmike wrote:It really does a disservice to his work to have it in a less than stellar form
Mars wrote:According to the copyright that you have provided, Len doesn't actually have any say in the matter at all. The written permission must come from Dragonsfoot UK which means the owner of Dragonsfoot.org (not even the moderators).
ashmire13 wrote:To clarify for Fid, my intentions at the moment are to only spend a few hours over a few evenings over a few weeks (at the absolute most), to convert to an editable doc that I can then play around with if I wish to.I may not even get that far.But if I do, it may involve re-structuring some sentences so that it reads in a better manner (from the small amounts I have read). All of which would be for my own personal use.I doubt very much indeed that I need anyones permission for that. I may then supply a copy to my gaming friends who wish to use it, but it would not be 'published' anywhere, or uploaded/hosted for free anywhere either. Nor would it be in pdf form.Neither would it have any of the credits changed or added.Just a little project that I may play with to pass a few hours.