Badmike wrote:It is mindboggling that people who have acutally published items (like, actual items that can be bought!) are available and weren't brought in at some point to try and rescue this mess.
sauromatian wrote:While I've only skimmed though bits of the module, nothing jumps out typo-wise. I see some missing hyphens, overuse of the word "that," erratic use of British quote marks in an otherwise American-English document, but nothing I wouldn't expect from an amateur production. Anyone care to provide a few egregious examples?
xyzchyx wrote:Is it mindboggling to buy into the notion that the number of such people who were capable of providing a professional level of such services, and would simultaneously be willing to offer them at absolutely no cost, could be starkly less than the actual number of professional publishers? Remember, Len's requirement was that L4 be 100% free... and free doesn't always sit well with some people who may be used to making money at doing what they normally do for a living. It is, I'm afraid, a rare thing to find somebody who genuinely has enough of a passion for their career that they are also willing to support independent free endeavors, because it often represents a conflict of interest, commercially, and most people who have enough skill to actually do commercial work will usually choose to do so.Now, I'm not saying that one necessarily has to be happy with mediocre when one isn't putting forth any capital, nor trying to apologize for the state that you seem to have found L4 in, but I am suggesting that it's not remotely inconceivable that a good deal of the professional services such as what you refer to were simply not viable for a free project.
bclarkie wrote:Ian, you still haven't posted in thread I posted offering your services. How come? You keep saying that you offered previously, however I've yet to see any evidence of it. I mean make your point right now and offer up your help in public and when they rebuff you publicly like you are so insistent on them doing, then you'll have all the high ground to bitch about it that you want. Until you do though, it's all just looking like a really bad cop-out.
bbarsh wrote:Brian,I hope you are not suggesting that people can't be critical because they did not volunteer to help with that project. Because I volunteered and never got a response. And I do help edit Footprints (at least the last two issues and I am sure the next when it is ready). Now I am sure nobody knows that I do that over at DF because I am basically a nobody over there and they treat us nobodies like lepers for the most part.My overall disappointment is not that the editing sucks and the layout is horrible and the story is at best choppy and at worst unworkable, but that this module has a lineage. The module is freaking L4 - a direct descendant of L1. It is as close to a real TSR module from the original source that we are ever likely to see. And this is the result?How often is that kind of opportunity going to come along? Not very freaking often...I don't have a problem with people being pissed, disappointed, thrilled or over-joyed. I am in none of those groups because I went straight from disappointed to completely uninterested.
mbassoc2003 wrote:Mike,I have no intention of openning up a can of worms over on DF, and I can assure you I have offered my services on more than one occasion as both a mapmaker and a proofreader.But, I will assure you this...If someone PMs me or e-mails me a document they'd like me to proofread (PDF Preferred), I will do my utmost to provide an accurate and impartial service at no cost. E-mail [email protected].
"GB, I really appreciate all the hard you guys did putting this long project together, however upon reviewing it, I believe that there were some editing/proofreading errors in it that may have been overlooked in the process. I would love to be able to work on potentially removing some of these errors that I believe were overlooked and I will happily work at no charge as yourself and others have done through this long process, on the simple contingency that if I do do it, that you will give it a fair look as a viable corrected version for download once it's completed by me. Let me know what you think"
FoulFoot wrote:Alrighty, back to work. Or whatever we're doing here. It was anti-leeching code, and I don't believe it was intentional.As always, anyone who'd like their avatar stored locally on the server here (which I recommend simply because it serves the forum pages faster), just e-mail me it to me.Foul
Kingofpain89 wrote:That is good enough answer for me. I have already edited my posts from last night and again apologize to Fid for assuming that posting that avatar was done on purpose with malicious intent. I almost threw up when I saw that. That would have been one hell of a mess.
What I do have a problem with is the personal attacks on people questioning their intelligence and so forth for was done on a voulunteer basis on a product that was free
Kingofpain89 wrote:Never heard of anti-leeching code before. If FoulFoot says it was unintentional then I am good with that explanation. Apologies to Fid for making the assumption that it was intentional.
FoulFoot wrote:In this day and age, it's sort of silly. In the old days, "bandwidth" was a concern, and an admin (rightfully) didn't want his bandwidth quota to be eaten up by folks linking to images and whatnot. Today, where broadband is pretty much at a saturation point, it's not an issue.
improvstone wrote:Quite common actually ... its a very effective way of protecting images from being directly linked from a site. Sad though that we automatically jump to the wrong conclusions and in the process bash somone new to Acaeum. I hope he comes back ...
Kingofpain89 wrote:Well in our defense, if the avatar had been something "normal" I dont believe there would have been any "bashing". If you had seen it and hadnt reacted in the same way, then you arent human. It was the second most disgustingly horrifying thing I have ever seen. You don't want to know what the first one is.
BadMike wrote:]I guess it just disappoints me because this is such a "historical" item in terms of who wrote it and the place the L-series has in gamers hearts.
