I think the OB3 was the one that accidentally fell in the toilet when I opened it. Don't worry, I dried it off well before I reshrinked it!
I understand Giorgio's point though. A shrinked OB3 will stay that way, because you can view all the art for free. So the OB3 PDF does indeed hurt the value, otherwise a shrinky would be worth twice as much.

Xaxaxe wrote:I just bought my first PDF from Paizo ... and, coincidentally I just bought my final PDF from them, too.

Thanks for all the ideas, guys, but I just trashed it — the way I look at it, I shouldn't have to have a computer science degree to enjoy a PDF.

The old cliche really applies here: "it's not the money, it's the principle of the thing." Paizo's watermarking is way, way too intrusive, and until they decide to change their methods, I'll take my PDF business to RPGnow (not that I buy a lot of them in the first place, but, again, it's the principle).

Badmike wrote:

radagast wrote:
(I bought a SW OB3 from Frank and I'll never open it. But I've never read that module (nor downloaded it): I don't care about the text or the adventure, I wanted the module (just like now I want a ST1). I bought a coverless Jade Hare from Mike. It is not SW but I've never opened or read it. I have it: that's enough.)


Cheers
Giorgio

Wow, then you
missed the piece of gum I stuck between pages 4 and 5!



Mike B.

Mike ...
I've noticed that but I thought it was part of the module ...

Deadlord36 wrote:I think the OB3 was the one that accidentally fell in the toilet when I opened it. Don't worry, I dried it off well before I reshrinked it!

Now I understand why it seems so ... wet under the shrink  8)

There have been (not sure if still are) PDFS of TSR Products and many other RPG Companies on some of the Torrent sites.

D&D, AD&D, Gamma World, MSH, Dragon 1-335, Dungeon 1-150, Strategic Review.  Along with Paranoia, Palladium Products, Robotech, White Dwarf 1-330 and many others.

All available to download for free, that's what they mean by piracy I suppose.  

Sorry. Couldn't be ars#'d spellchecking. Happy New Year, folks. Can't believe it's been ten years since I bought City of the Revenant (I introduced myself after losing to Improv' in the auction for Planes of Existence) Still regret no going all in on that auction.     Happy New Year, everyone. As many of you know, all I have left is my PDFs.  

IAN! Happy New Year, man!

This forum and the people in it are without question adding to the sales AND VALUE of RPG products, be they hardcopy or PDF. Companies like RPGNow have us at least in part to thank; we draw in new members and players, and regularly steer them to places like that. You could argue that they would be virtually UNKNOWN if not for places like this. Additionally, to charge $5 for a PDF of a common module is insulting; I can get the hardcopy for cheaper in most cases. So, in my useless and nonhumble opinion, I am OK with any of us having and using PDFs of items for gaming or reading, even if we don't own the item. There is not a hell of a lot I haven't owned at one point or another, and none of us is selling PDFs. None of us is going to pay for a PDF of Keep on the Borderlands, partly because we own/have owned it, partly because free PDFs ARE available, and partly because our interest in them is reading/gaming.
Everyone here has illegally used MP3's, and that DOES directly impact sales of recordings. So, if I decide to use a PDF of B3, I have no issues with it. The price of the PDF is probably the same as a hardcopy, and even if not, like I said, in my mind they owe us. To the best of my knowledge, none of the PDF sellers has ever donated to the Acaeum, one of the very places that keeps them in existence. It is a case of bare minimal if any damage done when one of us has a PDF, and again, the sellers of them aren't high in my ranking right now.
So, fuck 'em.
The reason I am weighing in on this is that I am liquidating just about all of my hardcopies aside from super-thrashed stuff to use for gaming. I want them to be out there and used/collected by others, especially new generations, to foster interest in the game and collecting. However, I want to be able to run my kids through modules. Therefore, I "may" have acquired some PDFs in order to do so. Some of the ones I want, like L3 Deep Dwarven Delve, I haven't found yet, but in the case of that one I'm not even sure a "legal" PDF exists, and TSR already made their profit on the sale of my hardcopy.

Echohawk wrote in PDFs vs originals and their impact on collecting...:I don't mind spending money on a PDF of something I already own. I have, in fact, paid money for a legal PDF of Keep on the Borderlands even though I already have several print copies. There is value to me in having a searchable electronic copy.

If I recall correctly, the copyright laws allow for you to make a copy (for private, personal use only) of something you already own.