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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:10 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:Look at the time stamps; they are identical.

I didn't spot that, either.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:30 pm 
 

Okay, Keith and I have clarified our positions — definitely a case of Simultaneous Posting Syndrome. Much ado about nothing important, etc., etc.

Move along; there's nothing to see here ... :)

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:32 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:Move along; there's nothing to see here ... :)

Yes there is! I want to see what you've bought us all for Christmas... :D

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:32 pm 
 

beyondthebreach wrote:1st Edition (pre-1986)
2nd Edition (1986-1999)
3rd edition (2000 - NOW)
Mixed Lots
Other


I really think this might have the best chance of succeeding. I list a fair amount of comics (or at least I did; I'm getting back in the game in January), and I really appreciate the fact that I can list any issue of any title simply by looking at the copyright information.

This could work for D&D collecting, too. I think it's cleaner and simpler than an ODD-DD-ADD-3e method.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:41 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:Yes there is! I want to see what you've bought us all for Christmas... :D

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Well, I'm probably getting coal in my stocking for jumping all over Keith in my initial (pre-editing) post ... forgive me, Santa! :)

Before we totally lose the plot, though: I think this project could succeed sometime in 2006. D&D Miniatures are a pain; there is a legitimate argument here that eBay should listen to (he said by ending a sentence with a preposition).

The ironic part: the more successful D&D Minis are, the more likely it is that eBay will recognize their need for a separate category. We actually want more expansion sets* ... 8O

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*(and it's not too late to buy some as an Xmas gift for your favorite minis fan)

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:24 pm 
 

Would we want to add another category for magazines?  I collect 1E era Dragon issues, for instance.  Or would periodicals just fall under "other"?

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:28 pm 
 

Keith wrote:Would we want to add another category for magazines? I collect 1E era Dragon issues, for instance. Or would periodicals just fall under "other"?

Magazines are pretty easy to filter out if you don't want them.  Minis aren't -- and should be moved outside of the "Dungeons & Dragons" category entirely (if they're a subcategory, that fixes nothing).

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:07 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:
bclarkie wrote:Did I mention that I am not big fan of the interface either. :)

I kinda presumed you were still using it, to pounce so many of those eBay BIN bargains, Brian.


I dont know how much of a bargain $800.00 is. 8O  :wink:

BTW, did I miss something here?  Was I totally just flamed only to return and have the flaming now edited. :)


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:01 pm 
 

You didn't miss anything, Brian — a small misunderstanding, since cleared up. The posts no longer make sense because many have been heavily edited.*










*especially that "bclarkie sucks!" one ... kidding! :)

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:01 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:
beyondthebreach wrote:1st Edition (pre-1986)
2nd Edition (1986-1999)
3rd edition (2000 - NOW)
Mixed Lots
Other


I really think this might have the best chance of succeeding. I list a fair amount of comics (or at least I did; I'm getting back in the game in January), and I really appreciate the fact that I can list any issue of any title simply by looking at the copyright information.

This could work for D&D collecting, too. I think it's cleaner and simpler than an ODD-DD-ADD-3e method.


Yes, that is what I am thinking . . . keep it simple. If a category were listed with pre-1980 . . . well, you all know that all those Players Handbooks, DMGs and Monster Manuals would be there is force and cluttering up space. Pre-1986 would encompass 1st edition, OD&D, non-TSR AD&D and most of D&D. By adding the date fields, it will help the uninitiated to choose the right category.

Furthermore, there is a certain aesthetic principle at stake here. It simply bothers me to see "Individual Cards" & "Boxes, Packs" listed. It's insulting. :?


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:32 am 
 

beyondthebreach wrote:



1st edition

2nd edition

3rd edition

Mixed Lots

Other



What do you guys think? I am going to send a suggestion to ebay. The link is:



Unsolicited idea submissions policy | eBay







I agree with others that this is the best idea overall.  



Are you folks already submitting the suggestion to the URL given above?



I'll go ahead and do so unless there is some reason to wait (perhaps to allow other Acaeum members to weigh in on the issue?).



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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:12 am 
 

btb's breakdown with dates is the best for simplicity and ease:



1st Edition (pre-1986)

2nd Edition (1986-1999)

3rd edition (2000 - NOW)

Mixed Lots

Other



The only thing left to decide is how to handle the miniatures issue.  How do we propose to eBay to make them a different category?  We could probably succeed in getting them listed under Miniatures as a subcategory but then a lot of sellers probably won't find them and will list them "incorrectly" under one of the above.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:22 am 
 

dathon wrote:btb's breakdown with dates is the best for simplicity and ease:



1st Edition (pre-1986)

2nd Edition (1986-1999)

3rd edition (2000 - NOW)

Mixed Lots

Other



The only thing left to decide is how to handle the miniatures issue. How do we propose to eBay to make them a different category? We could probably succeed in getting them listed under Miniatures as a subcategory but then a lot of sellers probably won't find them and will list them "incorrectly" under one of the above.




Would it make sense to filter the minitures catagory down to metal vs plastic?   Seems that there are alot of collectors in both genres and they would appreciate having them seperated somehow.



Could it look something like this:



Dungeons & Dragons:

  1st Edition (pre-1986)

  2nd Edition (1986-1999)

  3rd edition (2000 - NOW)

  Mixed Lots

  Other

  Minitures:

      Plastic

      Metal

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:48 am 
 

I like the idea of metal vs. plastic. However, what I envision for Miniatures totally removes them from the D&D category (that way, someone can search all D&D categories without worrying about minis.

What I am thinking is:

Toys & Hobbies > Games > Roleplaying >

> Fantasy
> Science Fiction
> Horror
> Super Hero
> Other
> Miniatures


That way, any RPG category could be viewed without being cluttered up by minis. To be honest, this would benefit those selling miniatures as well - it's not like someone is accidentally bidding $16.00 for a RARE Deathknell mini - they are searching for minis and this would help them narrow their searches down.


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:54 am 
 

beyondthebreach wrote:I like the idea of metal vs. plastic. However, what I envision for Miniatures totally removes them from the D&D category (that way, someone can search all D&D categories without worrying about minis.

What I am thinking is:

Toys & Hobbies > Games > Roleplaying >

> Fantasy
> Science Fiction
> Horror
> Super Hero
> Other
> Miniatures


That way, any RPG category could be viewed without being cluttered up by minis. To be honest, this would benefit those selling miniatures as well - it's not like someone is accidentally bidding $16.00 for a RARE Deathknell mini - they are searching for minis and this would help them narrow their searches down.

Problem is, the category already exists and nobody uses it:
Toys & Hobbies > Games > Miniatures, War Games

You can't force someone to use the appropriate category.  :cry:

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:00 am 
 

I've thought of that - the reason is that category is largely used for Fantasy Wargaming - Warhammer being by far the most prevalent and Battletech a distant second.

The category is filled with minis for Warhammer and 40K.  But no one wants to list their D&D/Ral Partha/Grenadier/Plastic minis there - they want them in Roleplaying.  That is understandable.  So another mini category needs to be made under Roleplaying.


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:02 am 
 



You can't force someone to use the appropriate category. :cry:




Actually, you can. It is against one of ebay's many policies to list things in the wrong category. They can be reported and the listings removed. I have thought of doing to to all those "Murder Mystery" games that bug me.



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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:29 am 
 

beyondthebreach wrote:


You can't force someone to use the appropriate category. :cry:


Actually, you can. It is against one of ebay's many policies to list things in the wrong category. They can be reported and the listings removed. I have thought of doing to to all those "Murder Mystery" games that bug me.

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Very interesting.  Especially the "loss of powerseller status..." But I digress.  



I don't understand why a seller would want to put minis under roleplaying...that just annoys the roleplayers, who might also be their customers.  Minis have more in common with Warhammer than they do with roleplaying/D&D, despite what the box might have to say...  :?



Perhaps Toys & Hobbies > Games > Wargames, Miniatures should be rearranged to accomodate:

Miniatures -> Warhammer

Miniatures -> Dungeons & Dragons

Miniatures -> <insert vendor/category/genre here>

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:22 pm 
 

If anyone cares, when I'm digging through AD&D listings at ebay to keep D&D minis out I filter out with:

"advanced dungeons & dragons" -mini -minis -rares -uncommon -common -booster -pack -packs -core -3.5 -3.0 -2nd edition -3rd edition

...

seems to keep the search pretty clean.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:55 pm 
 

deimos3428 wrote:I don't understand why a seller would want to put minis under roleplaying...that just annoys the roleplayers, who might also be their customers. Minis have more in common with Warhammer than they do with roleplaying/D&D, despite what the box might have to say... :?


Because that's where folks are looking for them. It's the "D&D Miniatures Game", and despite the curmdugeoning here, the vast majority of folks interested in it agree ;)

I think getting the miniatures into their own category is a great idea. Would make listing them much easier. Currently, they're about 70% in Role Playing, and 30% in Miniatures.

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