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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:56 pm

Seems Goodman's gotten another they call legendary, but I don't recognize the style (and never really paid attention). What else has Roslof done?

http://www.goodmangames.com/5027preview.php

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:59 pm

Do you mean done recently or in his career?

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:05 pm

Adam Shultz wrote:Do you mean done recently or in his career?

Career. His name does not ring a bell.

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:12 pm

MrFilthyIke wrote:
Adam Shultz wrote:Do you mean done recently or in his career?

Career. His name does not ring a bell.

covers of D1-2, Q1, Dungeon! boardgame to name a few significant ones...

also B5, XSOLO1, 1980/81 D&D Character Sheets covers

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:13 pm

Here is everythng that he has done so far in his career or at least most of it:

http://www.pen-paper.net/rpgdb.php?op=s ... atorid=686

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:15 pm

How did I forget the cover of B2...

Or A2 or C2...too many good ones...

Looks like that list is missing the cover of TS002 Rapidstrike

His Monster Cards are great also.

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:17 pm

C2 is another.

His interior b/w's are also excellent in my opinion. He was art director for TSR for a period of time in the early 80's.

He had been interested in getting back into the fantasy art scene a year or so ago. It looks as if Goodman picked him up for a cover. Unfortunately, Goodman games only pays $75 rate for a full color cover illustration. I heard this from another exTSR artist oldbie. Not a lot of money for sure. I can only hope Goodman doesn't rake it in w/o paying these guys a bit better.

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:19 pm

Other than the widely known covers, here is some of his interior work:

http://www.nobleknight.com/searchresult ... rch=roslof

Lots of very recognizable stuff. :wink:

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:21 pm

Also, thumb through the a few 1e hardbacks for some really excellent b/w. Deites and Demigods comes to mind for some particularly fantastic images.

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:48 pm

Ha! Just looking through Deities and Demigods. Roslof was assigned the Greek Mythos now that I remember. Apparently, Hecate was the object of geeky masterbatory fantasies amongst the art department from what I have heard. Good stuff!

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:20 pm

Hey, he did C2, he's good in my book.

C2. IS. THE. BOMB.

'nuff said. 8)

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:20 am

Adam Shultz wrote:Ha! Just looking through Deities and Demigods. Roslof was assigned the Greek Mythos now that I remember. Apparently, Hecate was the object of geeky masterbatory fantasies amongst the art department from what I have heard. Good stuff!

lol. Another nice one is that Finnish goddess... Mielikki or something.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:21 am

bclarkie wrote:Other than the widely known covers, here is some of his interior work:

http://www.nobleknight.com/searchresult ... rch=roslof

Lots of very recognizable stuff.

That Dungeon and Top Secret paintings... damn. That's really amazing. Since when did Noble Knight deal in originals?

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:25 am

Adam Shultz wrote:Unfortunately, Goodman games only pays $75 rate for a full color cover illustration. I heard this from another exTSR artist oldbie. Not a lot of money for sure. I can only hope Goodman doesn't rake it in w/o paying these guys a bit better.

That can't be right. They must get a percentage or else I would for sure comission Otus, Roslof, and Dees myself...

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:32 am

Adam Shultz wrote:Not a lot of money for sure. I can only hope Goodman doesn't rake it in w/o paying these guys a bit better.

$11 retail 32-page adventure...

Goodman gets $4.40 per unit from the distributor, or thereabouts.

All numbers hereafter are estimates...

Unit cost for printing and shipping is probably around $2.20 ("Rule of Five" being the standard these days).

Gross Margin per unit: $2.20.

Number of units printed and sold: Maybe 1,000, tops these days. Call it 800.

Total post-printing costs gross: ~$1,760

Writer: 20,000 words @ $0.03/word = ~$600

Editor: 20,000 words @ $0.015/word = ~$300

Graphic Artist for Layout: 32 pages, $10/page = ~$320

Cartography: 2 maps, $50 each = ~$100

Interior art: eight quarters/spots, $12.50 each = ~$100

Cover art: $75 front/$25 back = ~$100

Sales/Marketing/Warehousing = ~$100

Total non-printing costs = ~$1,620

Net Profit = ~$140

Total Investment = $1,760 printing, $1,620 other costs = $3,380

% Return on Investment ~ 4%

If they print and sell 1,000 with those costs, net profit would be $580. Of course, Joe Goodman hasn't himself been paid yet, mind you...

And that's if they sell out of every one they print.

If they print 1,000 at these estimated costs, and only sell 800, Joe loses $184 on the whole deal.

(Sorry for the lecture, but I'm having trouble with people lately who seem to think that people are in this industry "just for the love of it." Drives me nuts...)

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:26 am

Adam Shultz wrote:Unfortunately, Goodman games only pays $75 rate for a full color cover illustration. I heard this from another exTSR artist oldbie. Not a lot of money for sure. I can only hope Goodman doesn't rake it in w/o paying these guys a bit better.

I've heard that they definitely pay more than that for the famous TSR artists like Erol Otus, Jim Holloway, Jeff Dee and others....

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:12 pm

jamesmishler wrote:If they print and sell 1,000 with those costs, net profit would be $580. Of course, Joe Goodman hasn't himself been paid yet, mind you...

And that's if they sell out of every one they print.

If they print 1,000 at these estimated costs, and only sell 800, Joe loses $184 on the whole deal.

(Sorry for the lecture, but I'm having trouble with people lately who seem to think that people are in this industry "just for the love of it." Drives me nuts...)

But that seems to be the case based on your above tally. Goodman doesn't stand to make much money from publishing modules, so why else is he doing it besides love of the game and/or vanity (in Goodman's case, I mean that in a good way)?

I really like the Goodman stuff so I hope they continue publishing modules, but they don't seem to be making much money off it.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:41 pm

Ssendam wrote:
Adam Shultz wrote:Unfortunately, Goodman games only pays $75 rate for a full color cover illustration. I heard this from another exTSR artist oldbie. Not a lot of money for sure. I can only hope Goodman doesn't rake it in w/o paying these guys a bit better.

That can't be right. They must get a percentage or else I would for sure comission Otus, Roslof, and Dees myself...

I'm with you. That sounds nuts. If anyone knows how to get ahold of Otus, Roslof or Dees, let them know I will pay them a firm $375 (five times their Goodman games rate) for either a redraw of a classic cover (Rogue's Gallery cover for Otus, Q1 for Roslof, A1 for Dees) or all original work from any of this trio in "classic D&D cover" form. That's right, they can just redraw or update their classic covers, or draw a cover for one of my homebrews, and I will gladly part with $375. Man, if that was true the Acaeum alone could support these guys in style for a good many years, as I bet I'm not the only one here who wouldn't mind hanging an "original" copy of the cover to Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits on their wall at home, signed by the artist.....!

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