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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:25 am 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:I doubt there will be any real 3E rarities worth much. I think the current D&D generation will completely forget about 3E when 4E comes out, and when they get older they will not have the enthusiasm for collecting.
Look at the comic book field. Comics from the 1940's fetch the price of a small house, yet even limited prints like Death of Superman are not in very high demand. That is because of 3 factors:

1. Current issues have a much higher print run.

2. Current issues are not a reflection of when comic books "started".

3. Current issues do not have an "old" look or feel about them.

The same will hold true for 3Eeech.


I am sure each preceding generation holds the current generation in high regard as to what they will or won't do :lol:

Why do you assume they will forget about what they started with? The most memorable aquisition thread alone sees people fondly remembering newer itms, no 3E yet, but then they might be afraid to post that here for fear of ridicule.

As to losing their enthusiasm I am not sure on that. Their generation is a gneration brought up about collecting. It is forced on them from their first Burger King Happy Meal toy (collect all six) to their Pokemon action figures or cards.

Older comics will always stand a chance to be worth more than one later. Though their are many newer comics that are worth more than the chaff comics from years ago. Some of the limited edition bagged comics of the early to mid 90s are in the $100 range already and in 20 or 30 years what might they be worth...perhaps nothing....perhaps much more, though they may hold static bacause no one will open them and you lose the wear and tear effect that affects toys and games. Comics from the mid to late 60's (no where near when comics started are woth tens to almost 100K dollars because this is when that particular title started (X-Men, Spiderman, Fantastic Four).

With Magic cards "summer" magic was a print run problem and common land cards are worth sometimes $10, the rares and misprints can be in the 1K range,  and that was a continuation of perhaps the longest (Revised Edition, at worst second as 4th may have run longer) running print run the game had.

I am not sure what level the old look or feel have about them though I will say the look of WotC 3E stuff does nothing for me. If feel equates to quality then that may be an issue in what survives the test of time and the gaming factors. In comics the art is important but I would rather look at some newer comic artists work than much of the older, though there are many newer artists who can't hold a candle to the top guns of the past. In games the Dungeon Crawl series with Otus art is talked about so I think that the possibility to equal the old look or feel can be there for games still such as C&C.

I strongly feel that some of the D20, which to me is 3e as well, companies are producing items that will be in demand and in some cases rare and pricey to obtain as people learn about them. These will be in demand for quality and because at one time they were smaller companies the print runs will not be as high and WotC items. They have even reprinted the witchfire Triolgy modules already. Some of the ones I see this happening with are Goodman Games, Necromancer Games and there is a company called Living Imagination that is making items I really like though I may be in the minority there.


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:31 am 
 

Was Return to the Tomb of Horrors by Bruce Cordell (with Gary tweaking a little, plus a photostat copy of S1) 2e or 3e?

Because I've seen complete boxed sets of that go for a hundred bucks already.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:31 am 
 

I am sure there will be a few items that will become a collectable item in 3e. But I seriously doubt any will approach the big rares of OD&D and 1e. Deadlord already pointed out all the most accurate reasons for this.

I think another may simply be the fact that 3e is NOT 1e. Just like the first run of Amazing Spider-Man will always be of higher value than later editions of the same title. Also, there certainly is no nostalgia to 3e. No one is ever going to have a discussion about a stupid box pulled out of a dumpster that may or may not have held a quantity of a recalled module. 8O

There is a mass of AD&D collectors who have a connection to old TSR rpgs because they were around when gaming was basically in its infancy. The products that reflect that era will always hold value. Items printed 30 freaking years later that are several actual editions and companies removed will not.  

Also, I think people will collect old TSR stuff that may have never played old D&D and 1e. Again, there is an "originality" about those items. I have a real hard time believing anyone will feel the same about 3.5e.


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:47 am 
 

DungeonDelver wrote:Was Return to the Tomb of Horrors by Bruce Cordell (with Gary tweaking a little, plus a photostat copy of S1) 2e or 3e?

Because I've seen complete boxed sets of that go for a hundred bucks already.


2nd edition if I am not mistaken.

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/tm/tm-tomb.htm

Came out in 98 and I think 3e was later though close on its heels. It was part of the Tomes (who knows  :?: ) line. So it may be one of those items that was edition neutral.


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:04 pm 
 

beyondthebreach wrote:What about the Conversion Guide? It's that crap little pamphlet for converting 2nd ed. to 3rd ed. I think that most have been thrown out and many more will bite the dust in the coming years.

It's worthless now anyway, so I'm hanging onto one just in case . . . 8)


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:07 pm 
 

I have a retailer pack with a bunch of those conversion guides inside of one sw.

I think there are 36 or 72 of them in there.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:09 pm 
 

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beyondthebreach wrote:What about the Conversion Guide? It's that crap little pamphlet for converting 2nd ed. to 3rd ed. I think that most have been thrown out and many more will bite the dust in the coming years.

It's worthless now anyway, so I'm hanging onto one just in case . . . 8)


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Just after 3rd ed came out this little booklet was going for $15-20.  I know because I sold a few.  I kept 2 of these for future speculation.  

One book to watch out for would be the Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil.  It was a great adventure and has 1st edition ties as well. :wink:

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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:11 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:One book to watch out for would be the Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil. It was a great adventure and has 1st edition ties as well. :wink:

In 3.5, it's actually possible to be an evil elemental, isn't it?  8O

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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:24 pm 
 

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Blackmoor wrote:One book to watch out for would be the Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil. It was a great adventure and has 1st edition ties as well. :wink:

In 3.5, it's actually possible to be an evil elemental, isn't it? 8O


By throwing templates upon each other yeah, but not intentionally.  Depends on the cheese weasily factor of your DM.  :)


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:26 pm 
 

DungeonDelver wrote:Was Return to the Tomb of Horrors by Bruce Cordell (with Gary tweaking a little, plus a photostat copy of S1) 2e or 3e?

Because I've seen complete boxed sets of that go for a hundred bucks already.


It was 2e - but worth picking up (not for a hundred bucks, though).
The copy of S1 that's in my set is NOT a photostat copy, but a reprint of the original (mono) module.

The premise is that the original tomb was a "stepping off" point for Acererak on his way to (demi) godhood. An interesting read, if nothing else, with power levels ramping up super quick.


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:54 pm 
 

Does anyone know how many copies of Haunted Lighthouse and The Mask of Death were printed by Goodman Games?


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:03 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Does anyone know how many copies of Haunted Lighthouse and The Mask of Death were printed by Goodman Games?




I remember hearing 300 somewhere along the way in regards to the Haunted Lighthouse, but I do not know that for sure.  Badmike currently has a Mask of Death up in his store currently and in his auction description, he lists the number as 217 for it. I am not sure how accurate that is, but I figure he did not just arbitrarily put that figure in there, he must have a pretty reliable source. I am sure he will be able to confirm his source when he pops in again.


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:04 pm 
 

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mbassoc2003 wrote:Does anyone know how many copies of Haunted Lighthouse and The Mask of Death were printed by Goodman Games?




I remeber hearing 300 in regards to the Haunted Lighthouse, but I do not know that for sure. Badmike Has a Mask of Death up in his store currently and in his auction description, he lists the number as 217. I am not usre how accurate that is either, but I figure he did not just arbitrarily put the figure in there, he must have a pretty reliable source. I am sure he will be able to confirm his source when he pops in again.




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Post Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:08 pm 
 

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Do you mean burntwire?



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Actually, you are right, I must have got confused.  FWIW, Badmike does have one is store though for $24.00.  :)


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:05 pm 
 

There was a module from a few years ago, "Tales From The Blood Plateau", that earned a minute of controversy (and associated momentary high prices) due to being pulled off the sales floor at Gen Con. Something about "inappropriate content"...



It's pretty stable at two or three dollars, these days.



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Post Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:19 pm 
 

Isn't there some sort of Starter Pack that comes in a slipcover and contains the Player's Handbook, DM Guide and Monster Manual?  Maybe even sealed, I can't remember, but I've seen them at Barnes & Noble before.



Something like that might have value if it was kept together and unopened.  Just like the 10th Anniversary Set and Combo Packs have value when unopened.


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:33 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:
Actually, you are right, I must have got confused. FWIW, Badmike does have one is store though for $24.00. :)




mike DID have one but its been snapped up - i just went there to get it, but its gone now :)


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:11 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:
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Do you mean burntwire?



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Actually, you are right, I must have got confused. FWIW, Badmike does have one is store though for $24.00. :)




One sold this week for a buy it now of $20 ( had been up for a few days ) Also, IIRC it was also available for sale at goodman's website for quite some time after gen con before being taken down.

  
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