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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:47 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:Banning him will give me the confidence he is just not out to screw with the Acaeum memebers on the hottest item in dungeons and dragons collectable market.

I thought that was ST1? :D


*g*. Sorry! *nods in general agreement with Blackmoor, despite the crazy inflation*. Is certainly up there on that list, even though you could save yourself $1,500-2,000+ by buying a woodgrain Tractics and soaking off the label... or finding a later box and swapping the books... etc.


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:56 pm 
 

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Blackmoor wrote:Banning him will give me the confidence he is just not out to screw with the Acaeum memebers on the hottest item in dungeons and dragons collectable market.

I thought that was ST1? :D


*g*. Sorry! *nods in general agreement with Blackmoor, despite the crazy inflation*. Is certainly up there on that list, even though you could save yourself $1,500-2,000+ by buying a woodgrain Tractics and soaking off the label... or finding a later box and swapping the books... etc.


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ST1 is hot but it is just very rare that what makes it collectable,
the 1st wood grain boxset is the most important roleplaying collectable there is.

ST1 is just for those flowery fairy types anyway :D

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:08 pm 
 

Does anyone honestly think that a winning bid will be honored? He doesn't even play! It's an obvious attempt to throw a wrench in the works.
Paul, do yourself a favor and do some banning. It's not like the thing will go for less. I personally don't have an interest in it, but I am 100% sure you will lose quite a few Acaeum bidders by letting the bid stay.


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:42 pm 
 

Howdy,


Maxwell/brucem did not participate in either of my other woodgrain auctions.


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:49 pm 
 

stormber wrote:Howdy,
Maxwell/brucem did not participate in either of my other woodgrain auctions.

Many thanks for the confirmation, Paul.
Definitely useful to know, either way; to try to make up our minds as to his reasons for bidding and act accordingly.

I'm sure he has the money, anyhow.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:58 pm 
 

One brief word here for anyone thinking of not bidding because of Max . . .

Just a few pages ago on this thread, DL36 was telling me how most everyone knows what they will pay.  Come on now, is anyone here naive enough to get in a bidding war with Max?  I fail to see how his presence can change your opinion.  That is, if you are planning on bidding $2,800, how will Max's bid alter this intent?  

Seems to me that even if his only intent is to mess around with Acaeum members, he is already winning once people start dropping out.

Also, he may actually pay . . . he certainly amassed a large collection to begin with and despite his final comments, he may never have actually sold the bulk of it.

Just some thoughts . . .


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:09 pm 
 

Because it is no different than having a shill bidder.


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:31 pm 
 

Howdy Frank,


Deadlord36 wrote:Because it is no different than having a shill bidder.


Thanks!


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:41 pm 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Because it is no different than having a shill bidder.
Fair warning -- if I win the lottery before Wednesday, I'm putting a bid of $25K on it.  :P  (On the off chance it happens, I think we shouldn't put it in the valuations, though).

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:01 am 
 

Howdy Frank,


Deadlord36 wrote:Does anyone honestly think that a winning bid will be honored? He doesn't even play! It's an obvious attempt to throw a wrench in the works.


I do. Lot's of us don't play and hell Frank you are not even going to bid on this! I think you are wrong.

Deadlord36 wrote:Paul, do yourself a favor and do some banning. It's not like the thing will go for less. I personally don't have an interest in it, but I am 100% sure you will lose quite a few Acaeum bidders by letting the bid stay.


Well I will lose bids now for sure, unless I block his bidding. This whole discussion is pretty much forcing my hand isn't it?


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:39 am 
 

Howdy All,

It is done. Brucem253 contacted me, saying he thought it was unfair to me and that, while he wanted to bid and intended to pay, he wouldn't mind if I felt I had to cancel his bid.

I sent him an email back, thanked him for his graciousness and cancelled his bid.

Now let's go forward! The set is in fantastic condition, the reserve is obviously $2,600, and the interest in this set is clearly higher than ever! Good luck bidding, one and all!

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:12 am 
 

Good move, Paul.  I'm sure it will work out for the better.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:09 pm 
 

OK... I'll just re-post the original question here (plus the follow-ups), even though I'd rather not do so.
Would still prefer a PM response, Paul. Thank you, again.

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<clip question sent via eBay, last Thursday>

Howdy Paul,

Could you please let me know the height of each of the OD&D 1st print books at the spine, to the nearest 1/4 mm if possible.
Would normally like to know the height of the centre page at the staples, but I'm certain I wouldn't want to open these books enough to slip a ruler inside.
If the guillotining is good, the cover should hopefully be very close to the same size. (Please let me know if it's not, or if there are any other problems taking measurements...).

Ditto, for the height of the centre fold of the reference sheets.

Many thanks,
David.
</clip>

2.
A close-up of the text offset on the U&WA, per
viewtopic.php?p=21767&lighter=#21767

3.
How the shades of red/green/blue on the cover text compare(d) with the other three 1st prints you had (two left now?).

4.
What information you might have on the history of the set and that the components are as-issued.

5.
Any particular reason why the U&WA might have more staple rust than the other two volumes?

6.
Whether the books do lay flat, or if there's any page curl at the right-hand corners (esp. the U&WA)?


Hrmm... enough there, I think; and two questions more than I'd planned.
rsvp.


p.s. Thanks for that "additional condition information" at the foot of your auction. Wish I had any flaws as minor as those on my 1st prints ;)

  


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:44 pm 
 

whoa. That was weird. I cross posted by accident from another board. haha

In case anyone caught that. I love the delete button here.  :lol:

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:46 pm 
 

Adam Shultz wrote:whoa. That was weird. I cross posted by accident from another board. haha

In case anyone caught that. I love the delete button here. :lol:

Carry on!


I did. :wink:   Nice pic and CT comment. :P


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:00 pm 
 

:wink:  I would love to regale you with more picts and stories but somethings must be kept private for awhile!

:lol: Now, how high is the bidding on this woodgrain thingy?  :lol:

  


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:31 pm 
 

Heya Paul,

Noticed you'd signed-in a couple of times today.

I'll settle for an explicit "sorry, not answering these", rather than just silence.
Thank you...

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harami2000 wrote:OK... I'll just re-post the original question here (plus the follow-ups), even though I'd rather not do so.
Would still prefer a PM response, Paul. Thank you, again.

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<clip question sent via eBay, last Thursday>

Howdy Paul,

Could you please let me know the height of each of the OD&D 1st print books at the spine, to the nearest 1/4 mm if possible.
Would normally like to know the height of the centre page at the staples, but I'm certain I wouldn't want to open these books enough to slip a ruler inside.
If the guillotining is good, the cover should hopefully be very close to the same size. (Please let me know if it's not, or if there are any other problems taking measurements...).

Ditto, for the height of the centre fold of the reference sheets.

Many thanks,
David.
</clip>

2.
A close-up of the text offset on the U&WA, per
viewtopic.php?p=21767&lighter=#21767

3.
How the shades of red/green/blue on the cover text compare(d) with the other three 1st prints you had (two left now?).

4.
What information you might have on the history of the set and that the components are as-issued.

5.
Any particular reason why the U&WA might have more staple rust than the other two volumes?

6.
Whether the books do lay flat, or if there's any page curl at the right-hand corners (esp. the U&WA)?


Hrmm... enough there, I think; and two questions more than I'd planned.
rsvp.


p.s. Thanks for that "additional condition information" at the foot of your auction. Wish I had any flaws as minor as those on my 1st prints ;)

  


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:55 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:12 pm 
 

stormber wrote:...

*hovers pointer over the "delete snipe" button*


Oh well, at least that was an answer of sorts (after five days).

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Post Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:21 am 
 

Howdy David,


You know David, I have answered over 200 messages in the last 5 days, your's was the only 6 part, measured to the .25 mm, "oh and by the way, compare to your *other* four 1st prints" questions.  8O To be honest I didn't think you were bidding, only that you were doing more research.

I only check on the Acaeum for questions that I think are critical to the success of my auctions (when I am busy running them). Your questions seemed pedantic in relationship to the auction and, while I intended to answer them, they seemed to not be top priority during a very busy time.

Sorry for my misunderstanding your intents.

So whether you choose to bid or not (This thread has a lot of bidding-blackmail in it doesn't it?) I will give you the answers I would have given as a point of research anyway.

1. "Could you please let me know the height of each of the OD&D 1st print books at the spine, to the nearest 1/4 mm if possible.
Would normally like to know the height of the centre page at the staples, but I'm certain I wouldn't want to open these books enough to slip a ruler inside.
If the guillotining is good, the cover should hopefully be very close to the same size. (Please let me know if it's not, or if there are any other problems taking measurements...)."

Center page measurements, at the spine:

Set in my collection:
V1: 21.7 mm
V2: 21.5 mm
V3: 21.7 mm
RS: 21.6 mm

Set on eBay:
V1: 21.7 mm
V2: 21.5 mm
V3: 21.7 mm
RS: 21.6 mm (estimated due to rounding/wear)

2. "A close-up of the text offset on the U&WA..."

Matches your 1st Print sample in the referenced thread, exactly. Same as my other 1st print.

3. How the shades of red/green/blue on the cover text compare(d) with the other three 1st prints you had (two left now?).

Compared side by side no difference. Two months ago I laid them out in columns and other than the variant V3's offset no significant differences.

4. What information you might have on the history of the set and that the components are as-issued.

This is my "good" set bought from the original owner. I have another in worse shape but for sentimental reasons cannot part with. Thus, I am auctioning off my better copy.

5. Any particular reason why the U&WA might have more staple rust than the other two volumes?

I have noticed in all 5 sets I have owned, that the item that sits on the bottom of the box is subject to more moisture. In two of the sets only V3 had staple rust and in another set the last page of the reference sheet on the bottom of the box was browned but the other page of that sheet and the rest of the sheets were white. If the books are out of the box, I assume the nature of human kind would stack the books V1 top, V2 middle, V3 bottom on the gaming table, countertop, etc. Thus subjecting it to more moisture, wear, creasing, spotting, etc.

Also, the V3 fits tightly into the bottom of the box and is difficult to extract. I assume this tightness lead to more significant wear.

6. Whether the books do lay flat, or if there's any page curl at the right-hand corners (esp. the U&WA)?

Yes, all three do have a gentle curve to the upper an lower corners from being laid in the box (and not quite fitting). Laying them on a flat surface the very corners are 1 mm up from the surface. Again, a very mild curvature, hadn't noticed until I set them flat and viewed them from the edge.

The internal box dimensions on these sets vary, however, as the woodgrain covering is pasted over a cardboard carcass that is split at the corners. That's why the corners are so easily split on these boxes. It is just a thin layer of veneer that holds the corners together. I'v had two sets where the books drop in flush, and 3 sets where they stick a bit or even have to sit at an angle. Both V3 variant sets, the V3 was in perfect shape and fit perfectly into the bottom of the box with room to spare.


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