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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:15 pm 
 

Howdy All,


Well this is just terrific. I was really counting on this auction to bail me out of a serious financial situation by Nov. 16th. Now this. I can't afford to monkey around with this auction.

So, are people really not going to bid on this because of another bidder? You're going to let him win because you don't trust him. Ludicrous!

The guy's feedback for selling is terrible but as far as buying, he seems on the up and up. To be honest I did not follow the sophmoric B.S. on the thread about him. Heck I didn't even know maxwell = brucem until you folks brought it up.

If I start cancelling bids or even pull the auction I am shooting myself in the foot.

From the email sent to Frank, it seems the guy is sincere about buying the set and his feedback indicates he will pay. So whatever your personal feelings are toward this guy, please don't cast a shadow of paranoia over this auction.

Let's go forward with a good, clean, competitive auction. Thanks!


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:08 pm 
 

stormber wrote:So, are people really not going to bid on this because of another bidder? You're going to let him win because you don't trust him. Ludicrous!

Heya Paul,

I suspect the concern is more that Max is actually just out to screw around with people on the board, than anything else.

More likely he doesn't actually want to win, but will happily sit back and have a bit of a chuckle watching people having to throw more money at the auction than would have been required without his involvement.
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max wrote:I will pay for the woody if I win and if I dont then more profit to trove.


OK, let's put it this way: I understood that the bidders and final amount realised for the $2,282 woodgrain resale auction were meant to be "hidden".
Given that you've now disclosed the final amount, could you please (for general reassurance purposes) consider disclosing whether Max was, or was not, actively involved in the bidding for that set?
(Or would that have been "no fun" for him to have messed around with, when the results of his activities would have been "hidden from view"?)

Yeah; sorry you picked up that bid, Paul :(
Certainly no-win either way, since it also gave away the reserve, regardless of whatever else you chose to do.

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David.


p.s. I would still appreciate a reply to the question I asked via eBay a few days ago re. the books.
I do have a further question or two, but since there's a bit of time-lag, it might be easier to post that (or both, even) here instead??
Was kinda hoping for a private response, though :?

  


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:19 pm 
 

Hi Paul,
I am also sorry that Max has decided to bid on your auction but unfortunately the thing with Max runs a little deeper than a childish internet flame war. Back in February prior to Foul from suspending him permantly from the board Maxwell did somethings that went above and beyond silly games. Not only did he shill his own auctions that he was selling, he also used a fake user id to bail himself out of an auctiuon win, he attempt to steal money from several members of the forum as well as others in general on EBay. On top of that he threatened to rape and kill Frank's KIDS. In this situation, it really sucks that you are in a financial bind were you do not have alot of leeway here, but I don't think anyone atr this point has demanded that you pull your auction or cancel any bids. On the other hand, with Maxwell being the high bidder on the auction and as long as he remains on there you in turn also can not expect that others from the forum to want to bid on the auction while he is there.  Going above and beyond everything else said and done in the past, would you feel comfortable bidding against someone who you were not 100% certain was on the level, especially to the tune of over $2600.00, because I know that I wouldn't.   As stated before, I am not participating in this particular auction regardless, but it something to consider. Good luck with it either way.

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:37 pm 
 

I DO NOT believe it is a real bid and I will not be suckered into a bidding war with that doofus.  I WILL PUT A SERIOUS BID ON THIS AUCTION if maxwell is left out.  Banning him will give me the confidence he is just not out to screw with the Acaeum memebers on the hottest item in dungeons and dragons collectable market.

Get rid of the bid, you will still meet your reserve and get your cash by nov 16.

Whew, got that off my chest :!:

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:47 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:Banning him will give me the confidence he is just not out to screw with the Acaeum memebers on the hottest item in dungeons and dragons collectable market.

I thought that was ST1? :D


*g*. Sorry! *nods in general agreement with Blackmoor, despite the crazy inflation*. Is certainly up there on that list, even though you could save yourself $1,500-2,000+ by buying a woodgrain Tractics and soaking off the label... or finding a later box and swapping the books... etc.


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:56 pm 
 

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Blackmoor wrote:Banning him will give me the confidence he is just not out to screw with the Acaeum memebers on the hottest item in dungeons and dragons collectable market.

I thought that was ST1? :D


*g*. Sorry! *nods in general agreement with Blackmoor, despite the crazy inflation*. Is certainly up there on that list, even though you could save yourself $1,500-2,000+ by buying a woodgrain Tractics and soaking off the label... or finding a later box and swapping the books... etc.


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ST1 is hot but it is just very rare that what makes it collectable,
the 1st wood grain boxset is the most important roleplaying collectable there is.

ST1 is just for those flowery fairy types anyway :D

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:08 pm 
 

Does anyone honestly think that a winning bid will be honored? He doesn't even play! It's an obvious attempt to throw a wrench in the works.
Paul, do yourself a favor and do some banning. It's not like the thing will go for less. I personally don't have an interest in it, but I am 100% sure you will lose quite a few Acaeum bidders by letting the bid stay.


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:42 pm 
 

Howdy,


Maxwell/brucem did not participate in either of my other woodgrain auctions.


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:49 pm 
 

stormber wrote:Howdy,
Maxwell/brucem did not participate in either of my other woodgrain auctions.

Many thanks for the confirmation, Paul.
Definitely useful to know, either way; to try to make up our minds as to his reasons for bidding and act accordingly.

I'm sure he has the money, anyhow.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:58 pm 
 

One brief word here for anyone thinking of not bidding because of Max . . .

Just a few pages ago on this thread, DL36 was telling me how most everyone knows what they will pay.  Come on now, is anyone here naive enough to get in a bidding war with Max?  I fail to see how his presence can change your opinion.  That is, if you are planning on bidding $2,800, how will Max's bid alter this intent?  

Seems to me that even if his only intent is to mess around with Acaeum members, he is already winning once people start dropping out.

Also, he may actually pay . . . he certainly amassed a large collection to begin with and despite his final comments, he may never have actually sold the bulk of it.

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:09 pm 
 

Because it is no different than having a shill bidder.


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:31 pm 
 

Howdy Frank,


Deadlord36 wrote:Because it is no different than having a shill bidder.


Thanks!


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:41 pm 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Because it is no different than having a shill bidder.
Fair warning -- if I win the lottery before Wednesday, I'm putting a bid of $25K on it.  :P  (On the off chance it happens, I think we shouldn't put it in the valuations, though).

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:01 am 
 

Howdy Frank,


Deadlord36 wrote:Does anyone honestly think that a winning bid will be honored? He doesn't even play! It's an obvious attempt to throw a wrench in the works.


I do. Lot's of us don't play and hell Frank you are not even going to bid on this! I think you are wrong.

Deadlord36 wrote:Paul, do yourself a favor and do some banning. It's not like the thing will go for less. I personally don't have an interest in it, but I am 100% sure you will lose quite a few Acaeum bidders by letting the bid stay.


Well I will lose bids now for sure, unless I block his bidding. This whole discussion is pretty much forcing my hand isn't it?


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:39 am 
 

Howdy All,

It is done. Brucem253 contacted me, saying he thought it was unfair to me and that, while he wanted to bid and intended to pay, he wouldn't mind if I felt I had to cancel his bid.

I sent him an email back, thanked him for his graciousness and cancelled his bid.

Now let's go forward! The set is in fantastic condition, the reserve is obviously $2,600, and the interest in this set is clearly higher than ever! Good luck bidding, one and all!

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:12 am 
 

Good move, Paul.  I'm sure it will work out for the better.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:09 pm 
 

OK... I'll just re-post the original question here (plus the follow-ups), even though I'd rather not do so.
Would still prefer a PM response, Paul. Thank you, again.

1.
<clip question sent via eBay, last Thursday>

Howdy Paul,

Could you please let me know the height of each of the OD&D 1st print books at the spine, to the nearest 1/4 mm if possible.
Would normally like to know the height of the centre page at the staples, but I'm certain I wouldn't want to open these books enough to slip a ruler inside.
If the guillotining is good, the cover should hopefully be very close to the same size. (Please let me know if it's not, or if there are any other problems taking measurements...).

Ditto, for the height of the centre fold of the reference sheets.

Many thanks,
David.
</clip>

2.
A close-up of the text offset on the U&WA, per
viewtopic.php?p=21767&lighter=#21767

3.
How the shades of red/green/blue on the cover text compare(d) with the other three 1st prints you had (two left now?).

4.
What information you might have on the history of the set and that the components are as-issued.

5.
Any particular reason why the U&WA might have more staple rust than the other two volumes?

6.
Whether the books do lay flat, or if there's any page curl at the right-hand corners (esp. the U&WA)?


Hrmm... enough there, I think; and two questions more than I'd planned.
rsvp.


p.s. Thanks for that "additional condition information" at the foot of your auction. Wish I had any flaws as minor as those on my 1st prints ;)

  


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:44 pm 
 

whoa. That was weird. I cross posted by accident from another board. haha

In case anyone caught that. I love the delete button here.  :lol:

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