Difference in quality among the AD&D PHB printings
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:26 pm 

Bloom wrote:Im the same. Im not a 1st edition collector except when, as is often the case, the book is coincidently of better quality than any subsequent printings. For example Beevor's Stalingrad is printed now by The Folio Society and I will get that instead of the Hardback 1st edition. When I was younger I did not notice how filthy many of the paperbacks i considered made up part of my library were. As many were hard to find paperbacks I was glad to get anything - it took me two years to get my hands on Cugel's Saga in the Early nineties. Abebooks has revolutionised all that.

Yeah, ABE is great (as is Alibris), although I do prefer eBay for being able to see photos of the actual book being purchased. If you're a Vance collector, I imagine you've come across kingcrabbooks :) by now. I'm in the process now of trying to get my hands on some more Underwood/Miller Vance titles at a price I can justify to myself (more importantly, to my wife). I've toyed with getting a VIE or CVIE (the 2nd printing should be coming out soonish), but I'm a dustjacket/cover art fetishist, and also the organization of the volumes seems a little haphazard.

Yes, very useful. I'll make a post in the classified thread soon. Any idea if a 2nd/3rd printing PHB is rare - involves along wait? I expect to pay about $50 for a nice one.

I think they come up fairly often. If you're looking for very nice condition, the wait might be a little longer. The Classified section is a good idea, though. People here often come through on a request there. Price sounds about right, but I'm not sure as I don't track them closely.

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:51 pm 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:I've been going through this process for about 7 - 9 years now, unconsciously at first. Our income starting increasing, so I began to pick up hardcover replacements "for the heck of it". Then, I began to enjoy them for themselves. I'm not necessarily a 1st edition seeker, but I have tried to acquire well-designed editions with superior materials. My paperbacks (for the most part) are now either gone or relegated to the limbo of a box in my closet :).

I've taken the opposite path, toward ephemera. Books I once owned in hardback I now seek out as magazine serials, like Zelazny's Courts of Chaos as illustrated by Wendy Pini. I can't tell whether Corwin is intended to have pointy ears, because he sports the same bushy '70s -do that the artist herself wore when posing as Red Sonja in a chainmail bikini. Which is itself a benefit from buying original Conan comics rather than archival reprints (yes I know it's actually supposed to be scalemail). Then we have paperback sci-fi/fantasy art books. I used to hate these for their fall-apart binding, now I love their pretentiousness. They're supposed to be so tasteful & sophisticated, but are often sleazier than magazines.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:04 pm 

I hear ya. I love some of the cheesy old artwork too, and do have a few issues of Galaxy, Fantasy Book, and Fantasy and Science Fiction laying around, and have also kept some of the paperbacks with favorite covers. It's been tempting at times to go that route, but part of my drive toward hardcovers has been space. I no longer have constraints on the amount of space I could devote to this stuff, really, but I've gotten so I despise clutter. A couple of big bookshelves full of hardbacks, and a couple of boxes of RPG material is about all I can tolerate before I get all anal. Having to pick up after the wife and the boys is bad enough, without worrying about my own crap being all over the place.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:19 pm 

There is a thread still lurking on the Acaeum titled something like "How Green is Your Players Handbook?"

I pointed out some time ago that there are large quality differences between printings, but no one seemed to agree at the time.

The main external difference I see is:

1) high quality, deep green, matte finish printed on a tough fabric


2) glossy, slick, dark green and printed on poor paper.

The difference is pretty large and I have wondered before why most other people didn't see it.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:21 am 

One cautionary tale I would offer.

Make sure that the early print PHBs you obtain  (whether purchase or trade for) has all pages intact, or at least present.
For some reason I have had bad luck the last few years.
I had purchased a few early PHBs and in some of them the last few pages were missing, or cut out from the binding and just sitting inside the book.
Pages 123-128 are sometimes removed for playing (there are game relevant tables) and ordering other TSR stuff BITD (Products list).

Of course by the time I noticed this, the sales were long past and nothing could be done.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:23 pm 

Gnat the Beggar, is this something unusual about the early printings? I haven't noticed it in the few later PHB I bought online or heard about it? Maybe removing those pages was a cool thing to do in the very early days. Anyway I'll ask about it.


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:29 pm 

They were perforated for removal in the printings I have, which are all 3rd or later.


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