buybuy wrote:The old dungeons and dragons game you guys are claiming he sold for around 1,000 dollars, was actually 3 complete sets, one without the box ...He said the people did not bother to read the description inside the listing.

I can read. The only one worth reasonable money was, however, not what it claimed to be.

buybuy wrote:An item sold twice or 3 times in a month on an ebay auction will not tell you what its worth. It will tell you what someone who stumbled onto it in a very confined time of that week, might be willing to pay for it. He said to find an items true value, you must attempt at the highest price, and go odwn over a long period of time.

Nothing I disagree with there.

It still distorts the market badly, not that that's important when the only goal is making short-medium $ then getting out to find another field to play.

buybuy wrote:He knows about your site, and said its bogus, refering me to the price comparisons of sales, and lack of updating on solid sales. He said that is gross incompetence to evaluation.

buybuy wrote:He says this market is so undervalued because of new people coming in to collect and play, he will take advantage of it.

I hear that Beanie Babies are "undervalued" these days. Or did he get out of those in time?

buybuy wrote:(I won't bother to give him a history lesson in RPG collecting, though...).

promises to pay more than the prices outlined at aceum.com

So that's ~$650-700 for the equivalent to those 3 OD&D sets that he sold for $970.

Sounds good to me.

buybuy wrote:I don't really know what the items sell form what they are worth, and I don't care.

Then how are you making any argument at all. You just outed yourself and said that you dont have any idea what you are talking about. [quote=buybuy"]ignorance is bliss.[/quote] That is very apparent in both your posts and your sales strategy.

buybuy wrote:Hmmm .. this lead me to do a little research, and an obvious member here appears to be violating their own priciples. Can we say, hippocrit ?



This is a valuation form this site of oh so knowledable people.



X7 War Rafts of Kron 2 $3 $6 $8 $11 $13 $14

As stated previously the Acaeum is the average price that you can expect to get for an item. My X7 is at exactly what the average amount that you can expect to get for the item in said condition, actually less.



As a matter of fact lets take a worst case pricing scenario using the Acaems numbers where my auction actually BINs and look at it versus Creeps items in his store.



Lets say my X7 BINs for $34.99, That is 167% above what the average expected said value of this itme should go for. Now lets look at your stuff:



eBay



$497.00 for an R3 Egg of the Phoenix. When you look at the Acaeum listed average price, and we will even give you the benefit of the doubt that it is really in Near Mint condition, the average expected price should be $140.00. Now that is a 355% percent above. There is not even a comparison, and I just took a worst case scenario in your favor!!

buybuy wrote:Oh amazing. There are reasonable, rational, people on this site also. And I asked Scott - creep about acoupkle things specificaly. The old dungeons and dragons game you guys are claiming he sold for around 1,000 dollars, was actually 3 complete sets, one without the box, and some other similar timeline published items.

I am not even dicking around anymore. Here, once again is the auction in question:



Ad&d Box Set | eBay



1 set=$970.00

buybuy wrote:He said the people did not bother to read the description inside the listing. Changing description, he said description is opinion based on any single persons methodical approach. His is his, and yours is yours. He aslo pointed out he doesn't have, and has never had a single complaint about an inaccuratly described item.

This of course is also and out and out lie. Proof, not even 2 months ago:



Neutral-Cover is torn, not in unused, nm/mint condition. Maps intact. Shipping average

Buyer tspaulding25 ( 43) Aug-22-05 20:21 5216607658

buybuy wrote: As far as appraisal, he said he could not explain to me the full process

Hmm, I wonder why he wasn't able to do that. It must be that computer in his brain that only allows for him to figure out the cost of the item at them time it is being put into his store but a one week listing on ebay is not an adequate representaion

buybuy wrote: It will tell you what someone who stumbled onto it in a very confined time of that week, might be willing to pay for it. He said to find an items true value, you must attempt at the highest price, and go odwn over a long period of time.

If that is the case then why the sudden decrease in value on the R1-4 set. I guess from someone who is so attuned to the appraisal process who decides after 1 month that his store item has decreased in value by $600.00. Seems like a contadiction there.

buybuy wrote: This is my last post

Aww, so sad to see you go.

buybuy wrote:I would say he is very successfully doing just that. He also said he would by your collection for 1.5 times any bonafide offer from your collector buddies.

$22,000 here at least and if you want its, its yours. You can paypal the money to me right now, but put your money where your mouth is....

buybuy wrote: He wants more good stuff, and promises to pay more than the prices outlined at aceum.com

Easy to say hard to actually do. Once again, put your money were your mouth is. I hate to break it to you schmuck but a couple of other facts that need to be pointed out. First off and foremost, I could really care less what you do because I own 3 and 4 of just about everything that you are selling. If you want to try and prey on people's complete lack of knowledge to make money more power to you, but what goes around comes around. Secondly, at leatst 75-80% of the "Real" collecting community visits these board either by posting or by lurking and so you are not fooling anyone with your appraisal bullshit. How funny is it that this site has been in place for over 6 years now monitoring this market, and yet all of a sudden you get involved 5 months ago and you already have the answers to everything. One last thing to point out is that I hope you are a much better appraiser of D&D items then you are of appraising postal cost, because last time I checked you can ship 4 modules for less that $6.00 with insurance by media or first class mail and it does not cost $15.00 to ship out a Silver Anniversary set.

For reference, here is a PM I just received from creep1962 and my response of course:

buybuy wrote:Yea yea, you wish you owned 3 or 4 of everything I have for sale. If you do pea-brain, then sell me your R-series, because if they aren't worth that much, the you would be happy to sell your set for 1,000 right ? NO ... cause your a loudmouth liar, and it was visible a mile away.

You might want to take at my most recent post in your thread, oh and by the way my statement was just about. I recently sold my dupes of RPGA3. R1, & R3. Oh and for reference moron, you might want to check out this thread before you open your mouth again:



IO's Little Castle, and the Politics of Natural Disasters

harami2000 wrote:

Now, did you say something about "going away", too, or was that just an echo?

Aww D, don't you think its fun to listen to the ramblings of a moron.  I think this is kind of fun.  Okay, okay, shoes away the moron.  



*<shoe shoe moron>*

You know, while I sometimes may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, I do have a very good head for figures.  Let's see just how on the mark I am here.



$970 for three sets?



One is definitely a fourth printing (the one pictured).



What about the two sets that aren't pictured?  The one with damaged box is noted as being a white box, making it a 4th print at least.  The boxless set is an unknown.  For this discussion, at the very least you have three fourth print sets.  Let's go through some scenarios here.



Now, the description notes that one of the two unpictured sets has a trashed box, while the other set is missing its box.  The pictured set, which we know is a 4th print, is in fact in decent condition, although the condition of the staples is not known.  Since pictures don't exist of the other two sets, condition can only be gleaned by the description.



You call the pictured set "Very Fine" and note that the box is dished and the contents unused.  By Acaeum grading standards, this set is not "very Fine", because there are definite creases, as noted on the top of the inner box.  It gets worse, because the set is not "Fine" either, as the aforementioned crease is longer than two inches.  Therefore, your "Very Fine" is actually "Very Good" and thus the item is misgraded.



The unpictured set with damaged box can grade no better than "Good", and I am being generous in regards to that.  You see, without seeing the box, it is impossible to determine the actual condition, but since it isn't pictured, it is logical to say that the unpictured set is in lesser grade than the pictured set.



The unpictured set without a box at all is an incomplete item.  Now, I personally deviate from The Acaeum's grading scale here and automatically grade incomplete items as "Poor".  However, for this purpose, I will work within the system they have established.  This item would grade as "Fair" because it's mostly complete and it's still usable.



So, to recap, here's The Acaeum grading on your three sets.



Pictured set - Very Good

Unpictured set - Good

Unpictured set (no box) - Fair



Now, let's run through those scenarios.  For these scenarios, Acaeum grading structure and average values per grade are used.  Blackmoor and Eldritch Wizardry are not included, as their grades are likely no better than the box sets, and are likely later printings.  If you have to figure in their prices, add approximately $35 to the total numbers.



1. Three 4th print sets (VG, G, F): VG $120, G $90, F $40.  Total $250.  $970 - $250 = $720 difference, or a markup over the actual average value of 388%.



2a. Two 4th print sets (VG, G), 1 5th print (F): VG $120, G $90, F $38.  Total $248.  $970 - $248 = $722 difference, or a markup over the actual average value of 391%.



2b. Two 4th print sets(VG, F), 1 5th print (G): VG $120, G $86, F $40.  Total $246.  $970 - $246 = $724 difference, or a markup over the actual average value of 394%.



3. 1 4th print (VG), 2 5th print (G, F): VG $120, G $86, F $38.  Total $244.  $970 - $244 = $726 difference, or a markup over the actual average value of 398%.



4a. 1 4th print (VG), 1 5th print (G), 1 OCE (F): VG $120, G $86 F $21.  Total $227.  $970 - $227 = $743 difference, or a markup over the actual average value of 427%.



4b. 1 4th print (VG), 1 5th print (F), 1 OCE (G): VG $120, G $47, F $38.  Total $205.  $970 - $205 = $765 difference, or a markup over the actual average value of 473%.



5. 1 4th print (VG), 2 OCE (G, F): VG $120, G $47, F $21.  Total $188.  $970 - $188 = $782 difference, or a markup over the actual average value of 516%.



Now, the original auction that you won these from was $249, I do believe.  While in a free market, you are permitted to price your stuff at a price you feel the market can bear, unfortunately your prices are NOT what the market will bear.  But then again, you have little concern about the people you rape, as long as you get their money at any cost.  Your attitude bears this out.

Traveller wrote:One is definitely a fourth printing (the one pictured).

It's a 5th... Please take my word on that, <Traveller>.



The seller may have been confused by the presumed-bogus 4th on the listings here (so much for having just "stumbled onto this site" ), but also failed to notice the lack of "Fourth Printing -- November 1975" printed inside the covers of the copies they were selling.



Thanks for the analysis of the figures.

*moves my belated edit*

Traveller wrote:...at the very least you have three fourth print sets...

I'd've been queueing up should anything like that turn up!

The 4th(-)s are scarce to say the least.



Not my problem the market hasn't "done anything" about converting the relatively rarity of the white box prints into dollar-terms. Maybe our friend will see to that?

buybuy wrote:No, you pay $3 for gas because your a resident of some god-forsaken city in this country.

This coming from someone who lives in Missouri???? I am quite sure the world would be better off with out you.



And I guess this means I should not expect to receive my payment for $2444.00.  My auctions and pictures are very clear.