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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:26 pm 
 

I didn't think Italy played at all well. Defensively they looked solid enough with the defenders playing very well. Not much going forward though. The less experienced players for Italy had a bad time time tonight. It wasn't helped by De Rossi's sending off and Totti having a poor game. Totti has always been a great player in Europe and Serie A but he never seems to do well as well on international games. At 29 this is his last chance really. A shame as I'm afraid he'll be remembered as a nearly great player as his injury before this World Cup was as much of a worry as Rooney has been to us I'd imagine?

Anyway fantastic to watch Ghana earlier! I love to watch 11 guys genuinely enjoy playing football and working so damn hard, competing so well and playing really attractive football.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:10 pm 
 

It isn't clear to me...an American Football fan...why a soccer player can have a "good" or "bad" game.  

Players don't score every game...so how is one player's game, "off" or "on?"

It seems like each team is just a kick away from a win or a tie every game.   :?

Also, how much is officiating (good or bad) a part of championship soccer?

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:11 pm 
 

well i did say before the game that italy are notorious slow starters and well there you go.

thats not to take anything away from the americans. that was one of the gutsiest performances that i have seen in a while. great stuff to watch and i really was cheering them come the end.

in the UK, we know mcbride as he plays here, but that donovan lad - great effort by him - always looked dangerous.

definately a moment to be proud of! all you can do now is go out and win the last match well and hope the other result goes favourably and well, funnier things have happened!!!

well done indeed! now all we need is australia to play the game of their lives tomorrow and REALLY cheer us up :D

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:14 pm 
 

hey you know what, i just noticed...

i am still long-winded collector and i am over 4000 now....awww phooey and here was me thinking there would be another title :(

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:22 pm 
 

This is such a quality tournament it's hard to miss a game. Argentina have been extremely impressive.

I find it extremely patronising of the BBC pundits to constantly voice surprise when an african side does well.  :evil:

It's a shame the Ivory Coast are out, they have been almost good enough in a group which included Argentina (rated 6th on ELO) and Holland (rated 2nd). England and Italy would struggle in that group.

Ghana are a quality outifit. Essien has been the best holding midfielder in the English premiership (well Keano and Viera have left).

Good to see the US get a point (I'd backed them to qualify from the group with the Italians).

I wonder how Scotland will get on against Paraguay??? :wink:


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:34 pm 
 

forgot to mention

our "one and only" Lloyd Owusu would have made the Ghana team if it hadn't been for a hamstring injury

Oh, and Status Quo wrote a song about him ....

http://www.legendspublishing.net/owusu_no2.mp3/

Not quite Tragically Hip & Bill Barilko but ..


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:05 pm 
 

obiter wrote:I wonder how Scotland will get on against Paraguay??? :wink:

We'd be slaughtered, IMHO. *

Paraguay underperformed this time, having lost in the knock-out stages to the eventual champions and runners-up in the past two World Cups.
To say nothing of beating Argentina at the end of last year as revenge for losing the Olympic Final (1-0 yet again) in 2004.

Seemed like fairly good value for the 400-1 odds, to be honest. Oh well... :roll:


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:31 pm 
 

Jason Scotland plays for Trinidad & Tobago ....

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:08 pm 
 

obiter wrote:Jason Scotland plays for Trinidad & Tobago ....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/bsp ... 275674.stm

One against eleven? Probably about the same odds as our national team.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:30 am 
 

sorry guys i cant even take scotland seriously anymore, after their two awesome teams of '78 adn '82 where they were meant to win the world cups easily, only to be humbled both times.

best player ever to come from them there shores on the world stage? Archie Gemmill by a long stretch.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:53 am 
 

I've always been curious about something: the fact that the UK countries are allowed to qualify separately and compete with their own teams (and perhaps even face each other in competition) ... is that considered at all controversial, or is it pretty much just accepted and no one gives it a second thought?

Is there ever any international outcry for the UK to have just one team (which, in theory, would be three less teams for other countries to worry about, right?) Would a UK "all-star" team even work, or would the players and coaches just brawl with each other the whole time?

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:03 am 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:I've always been curious about something: the fact that the UK countries are allowed to qualify separately and compete with their own teams (and perhaps even face each other in competition) ... is that considered at all controversial, or is it pretty much just accepted and no one gives it a second thought?

Is there ever any international outcry for the UK to have just one team (which, in theory, would be three less teams for other countries to worry about, right?) Would a UK "all-star" team even work, or would the players and coaches just brawl with each other the whole time?

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if i was forced to follow ONE uk team i would pack my bags and never look at football again mate.

your "states" are like "countries" to us. we all have our own national teams and it will always be that way. you would never get scots following england, wales pretty much neither. thats like blasphemy man! :)

its the same in rugby - we have england, ireland, wales, scotland etc...but then every so often we have the great britain lions. its a tradition thing.

nope its always been the seperated countries and it will always be that way.

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ps. and tbh, none of the other teams have got anything to offer england right now :D except maybe ryan giggs of wales (outstanding talent)



  

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:28 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:nope its always been the seperated countries and it will always be that way.

Having codified the modern game and formed our own national associations with separate league and cup competitions, we weren't going to sit back for a few decades until the rest of the world was up to scratch before playing international matches.

BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Tayside and Central | Oldest football to take cup trip
BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | North East/N Isles | Aberdeen nets football invention
(But avoiding any mention of the unofficial 1586 Greenland vs. England international).

killjoy32 wrote:its the same in rugby - we have england, ireland, wales, scotland etc...

Heh. And we can't even beat the Pumas at that... :?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:38 am 
 

faro wrote:
killjoy32 wrote:its the same in rugby - we have england, ireland, wales, scotland etc...

Heh. And we can't even beat the Pumas at that... :?


yeah and we got stiffed by the wallabies too - not nice!

well this japan -v- croatia game is the pits so far... 10 mins to go...0-0 yawn (gee i sound like an american) - maybe we needa  multi-ball system to liven it up a little :)

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:12 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
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Heh. And we can't even beat the Pumas at that... :?


yeah and we got stiffed by the wallabies too - not nice!

well this japan -v- croatia game is the pits so far... 10 mins to go...0-0 yawn (gee i sound like an american) - maybe we needa  multi-ball system to liven it up a little :)

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Now that would make the game more fun..
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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:16 am 
 

well yeah i could go for that - that would be fine, cept you dont have the space ont he sidelines to put them :)

well croatia -v- japan was 0-0 - pretty drab game there imo. croatia need to beat australia and japan need to beat brazil to stay in the competition.

should make the last game rather interesting!

brazil -v- australia shortly - really looking forward to this game!

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:14 pm 
 

the Home Nations .. why do we all get to play soccer ...

The UK is just that: a country of different nations united: all seperate, all with our own languages (although english predominates) and identities but bound together by a turbulent and troubled history. I'm Irish & British. Proud of both.

The history of rugby and football were such that the first internationals were played between the "Home Nations" and they never relinquished their status as independent football associations.

I come from a rugby family (although I'm not a rugby player). Rugby, like cricket is one of those colonial games that didn't go global. Soccer did so the historical anomalies stand out.

And, of course, Northern Ireland remain the current British Home Nations Football Champions (and have been for over a decade).

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Archie Gemmil's goal in '78 ... awesome but best ever Scottish player ??? What about Jimmy Johnstone, Dennis Law or Kenny Dalglish?


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:59 pm 
 

US will come from behind to win. We're almost as good at coming from behind as the Greek team.
To be honest, I hope the American team doesn't win it. We place little or no value on soccer, and I'd rather see a team that plays for a country that DOES value the game win it.


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