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Post Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:59 pm 
 

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JohnGaunt wrote: and when listening to one of Fish's live albums.

as in Marillion/Fish ?

Yes, the Fish that is the true spirit of Marillion.   :D  The crowd is chanting "Ole . . " on either Sushi or Derek Dick and His Amazing Electric Bear.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:49 pm 
 

England playing tomorrow. I'm pathetically excited! All day in the pub meeting friends from college I normally get to see twice a year and the missus is at work so she can't complain. Don't get much better. Well 'til we lose anyway :D
  

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:52 pm 
 

Soccer doesn't do much for me. I have the game on (argentina vs. some other minor nation) but I'm working and not paying much attention. I do hope Arg wins though. I believe the team commits mass suicide if they lose, no?


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:56 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Soccer doesn't do much for me. I have the game on (argentina vs. some other minor nation) but I'm working and not paying much attention. I do hope Arg wins though. I believe the team commits mass suicide if they lose, no?


argentina won 2-1 - very exciting game tho - ivory coast were very unlucky to not sneak a draw out of it tbh.

england beat paraguay 1-0 and trinidad & tobago drew with sweden 0-0

there thats my footie roundup for the day :)

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:59 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:england beat paraguay 1-0

And, technically, didn't even score! Now, that is the way to do it. :)
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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:03 pm 
 

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killjoy32 wrote:england beat paraguay 1-0

And, technically, didn't even score! Now, that is the way to do it. :)


well actually, they are still arguing over that, because "technically" its a goal to the attacking player if they can determine that the ball would have went in the net without the help of the deflection.

if they DO give the goal to beckham, he will become the first english player ever to score a goal in three successive world cups!

just thought you would like to know.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:08 pm 
 

Serious question: how will they decide?

I see this a lot in hockey — not own-goals, but plays that happen so quickly that it is possible to miss who should get the goal and the assists. Each hockey game is covered by an "official scorer," who has, I believe, 24 hours to determine his final ruling.

Do international soccer matches have an "official scorer?" Or how will it work — I'm sure Becks, among others, is very curious. :)
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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:13 pm 
 

i think it does go to a panel or something within the organisation who the competition is being run by (as in this case FIFA)....

or it may even be the referee himself who decides watching footage afterwards

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:52 pm 
 

Deflection?  Would have gone in?

What happened?


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:04 pm 
 

On England's goal, the last player to touch the ball was from the other side, which normally just goes down as an "own-goal." What Al is saying — and what I missed originally — is that the powers-what-are might still give Beckham credit for scoring the goal.
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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:13 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:On England's goal, the last player to touch the ball was from the other side, which normally just goes down as an "own-goal." What Al is saying — and what I missed originally — is that the powers-what-are might still give Beckham credit for scoring the goal.


well yeah it is an own-goal cos it came off their player, but what beckham will argue is that IF he didnt touch it, it would have still gone in anyway.

that being the case, the goal should be credited to him.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:22 pm 
 

I bet Beckham really hopes he's given credit for it because then his dad will give him 10pence (or at least that's what my dad used to give me when I was a boy)(50p for a hattrick!!) :lol:


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:00 am 
 

The Associated Press story now says (paraphrasing) that FIFA will review and decide the matter on Sunday.

I hope they give it to him; why not? I think every goal should be credited — if necessary, to the last offensive player to touch the ball. From a statistical standpoint, the entire concept of own-goals is sort of ridiculous.
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Post Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:05 am 
 

yeah i figured that would be what they would do.

talking of own goals tho, here was a classic in our own domestic competition:

BBC SPORT | Photo Galleries | Football | Enckelman's crucial mistake

thats one of them classic goalkeeping howlers that comes around from time to time.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:59 pm 
 

Ah, too bad for Becks ... FIFA took the easy way out:

FIFA rules "own goal"

Not that he needs my help, but I'm sort of cheering for the guy now. That would be a pretty cool record. 8)
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Post Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:37 am 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:Ah, too bad for Becks ... FIFA took the easy way out:

FIFA rules "own goal"

Not that he needs my help, but I'm sort of cheering for the guy now. That would be a pretty cool record. 8)


yeah they are a fickle bunch - some of the worst refs going atm too. we had some mexican muppet who gave us nothing at all and let them run riot - not very impressed, but anyway.

we got trinidad & tobago on thursday, which is our 2nd game. lets hope they dont play out of their skins again and come up with the amazing heroics like they did against sweden! i hope they are flat-dead and save themselves for playing Paraguay :)

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:40 am 
 

on an additional note, the newspapers here are slamming the national team as they usually do. think they are even more fickle than i could have ever imagined.

amazing really, that they have no concept of how it feels to run around in sweltering, humid, high-temperatures in mid-afternoon. holland visibly wilted yesterday, which was a clear indication of the same thing, but they never ever take that on board.

they just sit there and say "oh well you should have played rooney and it would have been ok"

feckin poor lad - i can see it coming, they will bow to pressure, play him and first tackle, he will get crocked again.

i hate the press sometimes...well most of the time.

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:45 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:on an additional note, the newspapers here are slamming the national team as they usually do. think they are even more fickle than i could have ever imagined.

amazing really, that they have no concept of how it feels to run around in sweltering, humid, high-temperatures in mid-afternoon. holland visibly wilted yesterday, which was a clear indication of the same thing, but they never ever take that on board.

they just sit there and say "oh well you should have played rooney and it would have been ok"

feckin poor lad - i can see it coming, they will bow to pressure, play him and first tackle, he will get crocked again.

i hate the press sometimes...well most of the time.

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