Hi Llaurenela---



Have you done any comparisions between your 5th and 6th printings that show any substantive textual variations?

grodog wrote:Hi Llaurenela---



Have you done any comparisions between your 5th and 6th printings that show any substantive textual variations?

Hi Grodog,

Aside from the copyright deletions and typo's there are no other major differences that I have found as of yet.  I annotated the errata sheet for the 5th and 6th printings. What I am trying to find out, since I don't have the first 4 printing is this: were there any other copyright issue material or other commentary that was deleted prior to the 5th printing or aside from the errata and any missed typo's or new typo's is the 5th printing essentially 100% the same as the 1st printing. As far as the definitive original text and ignoring the corrrections in the errata sheet is the 1st printing and the 5th printing essentially the same or were there changes between each printing from the 1st on that added or deleted comments?



Thanks for any info you can provide on the earlier printings!

Llaurenela wrote:While I don't expect anyone to go get their copies out and make any type of exhaustive examination

Actually, the most effective way to get info out of us is to poke us with a stick until we break down and crack open the volumes...but since I'm procrastinating installing a new door tonight, I'll try.  



I don't have the errata sheet handy, so some of these might be included, and I hope my notation makes enough sense...



In comparing the 1st with the 5th:





Men & Magic



pg. 1 (5th) -- Sutherland acknowledged under illustrations

pg. 5 (5th)-- Address/Publisher of Chainmail changed from Guidon Games to TSR Hobbies

pg. 6 (5th) -- Sprites picture resized larger

pg. 7 (1st) -- 'Note that Clerics are either "Law" or "Chaos"...'

pg. 7 (5th) -- "Note that Clerics of 7th level and greater are either "Law or "Chaos"

pg. 9 (5th) -- Griffons added to chart.

pg. 11 (5th) -- Bonuses & Penalties chart redone

pg. 19 (5th) -- typo: "sizes" instead of "sixes"

pg. 20 (1st) -- "1 at short range"

pg. 20 (5th) -- "2 at short range"

pg. 23 (1st) -- 'the Balrog in the "Ring Trilogy"'

pg. 23 (5th) -- 'i.e., a Balrog'

pg. 35 (5th) -- hobgoblin picture omitted (there is no pg. 35 in the 5th)

last page -- products list completely different



Monsters & Treasure



pg. 6 (5th) typo: "nromal"

pg. 8 (1st) Hobgoblins: "bodyguard of from 1-4 in number"

pg. 8 (5th) Hobgoblins: "bodyguard of from 2-4 in number"

pg. 10 (1st) Manticoras: 'with the range (18')' (eighteen feet)

pg. 10 (5th) Manticoras: 'with the range (18")' (one hundred eighty feet)

pg. 13 (1st) Subduing Dragons: 'indicating that had the attackers survived'

pg. 13 (5th) Subduing Dragons: 'indicating that the attackers survived'

pg. 14 (1st) Balrog: 'doing two dice of damage !'

pg. 14 (5th) Balrog: 'doing two, three or four dice of damage (depending on size) !'

pg. 14 (5th) Gargoyle: 'Only magical weapons/attacks affect Gargoyles'

pg. 14 (5th) Lycanthropes: 'Only silver weapons...'

pg. 24 (5th) Scrolls: "There is a 25% chance that any scroll of spells..."

pg. 27 (5th) typo: "monster clauses"

pg. 32 (5th) p. of heroism: "The potion will cause fighters of 5th-7th"



Underworld & Wilderness Adventures



pg. 4: "Sample Level" (picture redrawn)

pg. 19 (5th) typo: "weresolves"

pg. 21: "Construction" (picture redrawn)

pg. 21-22 (5th): whole chart on "Other Construction and Equipment Costs" missing!



This isn't exhaustive and I can't take credit for finding em all.

deimos3428 wrote:

Llaurenela wrote:While I don't expect anyone to go get their copies out and make any type of exhaustive examination

Actually, the most effective way to get info out of us is to poke us with a stick until we break down and crack open the volumes...but since I'm procrastinating installing a new door tonight, I'll try.  



I don't have the errata sheet handy, so some of these might be included, and I hope my notation makes enough sense...



In comparing the 1st with the 5th:





Men & Magic



pg. 1 (5th) -- Sutherland acknowledged under illustrations

pg. 5 (5th)-- Address/Publisher of Chainmail changed from Guidon Games to TSR Hobbies

pg. 6 (5th) -- Sprites picture resized larger

pg. 7 (1st) -- 'Note that Clerics are either "Law" or "Chaos"...'

pg. 7 (5th) -- "Note that Clerics of 7th level and greater are either "Law or "Chaos"

pg. 9 (5th) -- Griffons added to chart.

pg. 11 (5th) -- Bonuses & Penalties chart redone

pg. 19 (5th) -- typo: "sizes" instead of "sixes"

pg. 20 (1st) -- "1 at short range"

pg. 20 (5th) -- "2 at short range"

pg. 23 (1st) -- 'the Balrog in the "Ring Trilogy"'

pg. 23 (5th) -- 'i.e., a Balrog'

pg. 35 (5th) -- hobgoblin picture omitted (there is no pg. 35 in the 5th)

last page -- products list completely different



Monsters & Treasure



pg. 6 (5th) typo: "nromal"

pg. 8 (1st) Hobgoblins: "bodyguard of from 1-4 in number"

pg. 8 (5th) Hobgoblins: "bodyguard of from 2-4 in number"

pg. 10 (1st) Manticoras: 'with the range (18')' (eighteen feet)

pg. 10 (5th) Manticoras: 'with the range (18")' (one hundred eighty feet)

pg. 13 (1st) Subduing Dragons: 'indicating that had the attackers survived'

pg. 13 (5th) Subduing Dragons: 'indicating that the attackers survived'

pg. 14 (1st) Balrog: 'doing two dice of damage !'

pg. 14 (5th) Balrog: 'doing two, three or four dice of damage (depending on size) !'

pg. 14 (5th) Gargoyle: 'Only magical weapons/attacks affect Gargoyles'

pg. 14 (5th) Lycanthropes: 'Only silver weapons...'

pg. 24 (5th) Scrolls: "There is a 25% chance that any scroll of spells..."

pg. 27 (5th) typo: "monster clauses"

pg. 32 (5th) p. of heroism: "The potion will cause fighters of 5th-7th"



Underworld & Wilderness Adventures



pg. 4: "Sample Level" (picture redrawn)

pg. 19 (5th) typo: "weresolves"

pg. 21: "Construction" (picture redrawn)

pg. 21-22 (5th): whole chart on "Other Construction and Equipment Costs" missing!



This isn't exhaustive and I can't take credit for finding em all.

deimos3428,

Thanks so much for the info and for the advice!  OK everyone that has the early printings I am poking you with a stick, poke, poke, poke  :)  :wink: What?! But, but deimos told me to!!  :wink:





This is the kind of thing I am looking for is significant changes and it shows that the rules were either being corrected due to info left out or that the rules were still evolving just in the short time between printings.



For example:

pg. 7 (1st) -- 'Note that Clerics are either "Law" or "Chaos"...'

pg. 7 (5th) -- "Note that Clerics of 7th level and greater are either "Law or "Chaos"

I believe this is an errata change;

pg. 11 (5th) -- Bonuses & Penalties chart redone

errata sheet

Page 11, line 35: "30% to 40%" should be 40% to 50%.

pg. 20 (1st) -- "1 at short range"

pg. 20 (5th) -- "2 at short range"

pg. 21-22 (5th): whole chart on "Other Construction and Equipment Costs" missing!

This is definitely significant, could I get the chart information from you please?



Thanks so much for your help. I wish I had to funds to get copies of the different printing myself, but that's a pipe dream.  What I would like to do is get enough info that I could compile an "errata sheet" of what appears in each of the first 4 printings that does not appear in the 5th printing. I will be doing a line by line comparision between the 5th printing and the 6th printing that grodog asked about, but I am just getting started on that since I just got my copies in February through April of this year(2005). For those who don't know, I am a widow of 33 with two 13 year old twin boys. My husband introduced me to 1st Ed AD&D right after we met, and I just got into OD&D this spring when the chance to play in an OD&D game arose. When I get the comparison done, I will post the results. If I had copies of the first 4 printings I would do the comparison myself, but as I don't I am relying on the kindness of you all. I must say that the online community here and at Dragonsfoot are wonderful and very helpful.



Thanks again,

Llaurenela

deimos3428 wrote:Certainly. I'm not sure when it was omitted, mind you, but it is not present in the 5th or later printings. Right beneath the "Contruction" diagram on pg. 21:

Yup!



Present in "4th-" (sic). Omitted in 5th.

The "Construction" drawings are (thankfully?) redone for the 5th and the old hand-written descriptions, prices (including the door/gate/etc. table at the top) are now typeset.