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Post Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:42 am 
 

A question for you all about defending your life time's collection ......



If there was a natural disaster in your city, you were far away not to be significantly affected. You had fresh water and plenty of food and were in no immediate danger. Wouldn't you stay put?



How would you feel if the US Government told you you had to leave, and leave everything you owned behind?



How would you feel if you faced the next 20 years trying to fight the US Government for compensation for losses they forced you to take? Had to fight corporate insurance giants who are in the business of not paying out?



Is the US Governments policy of 'screw you', disarm them and ship them out, the right one? I thought you guys had rights under the consitiution?


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:43 am 
 

Sure, I'd stay put while one of the 4 worst hurricanes in the history of the country proceeded to tear apart my below-sea-level city. Makes perfect sense to me.

I've heard people crying racism, poor government response, poverty, etc. etc. but I have yet to hear a single person say "Thank God I lived through it".


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:09 pm 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Sure, I'd stay put while one of the 4 worst hurricanes in the history of the country proceeded to tear apart my below-sea-level city. Makes perfect sense to me.

I've heard people crying racism, poor government response, poverty, etc. etc. but I have yet to hear a single person say "Thank God I lived through it".


I'm sure there is no racism involved. I'm sure that those who stayed were either extremely brave, extremely stupid or extremely well informed. For most, it was probably a wrong decision and they are now dead.



But then if you are dead or in a house full of sewage I'm sure moving out is not a difficult decision to come to. But what of those who are not devastated, who have food and clean water and are not in danger?



If my RPG room was filled with sewage and my collection was ruined, I have no problem leaving all to float away. But if I'm on dry land and I'm largely untouched, I have too much to move in an emergency. And after the crisis is over, I'd feel pretty agreaved at the home guard telling to to leave my stuff and claim on my insurance, cos they have orders from the government to remove me with force.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:29 pm 
 

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I'm sure there is no racism involved. I'm sure that those who stayed were either extremely brave, extremely stupid or extremely well informed. For most, it was probably a wrong decision and they are now dead.




You're ignoring a very large section of the folks that were stuck in NO - those that couldn't leave. Physically infirm, or just literally couldn't afford to get out.



I'd be very interested to hear why you assume racism played no part in anything. NO is(was) a city where violence was spurred by a lot of things, and race is unquestionably one of those things. Do some background reading on some of the reasons that NO had such a high murder rate, and I think you'll find your faith in humanity goes down a notch.

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:55 pm 
 

GraysonAC wrote:I'd be very interested to hear why you assume racism played no part in anything. NO is(was) a city where violence was spurred by a lot of things, and race is unquestionably one of those things. Do some background reading on some of the reasons that NO had such a high murder rate, and I think you'll find your faith in humanity goes down a notch.


What I meant was, I doubt race was a factor in determining government policy in this matter, or in dictating how police on the ground behave. But then, if experience shows the government and police that they have to make decisions on grounds of race, that being the only way to deal with these people, that's a much more serious problem. In that case I'm glad I live in the UK.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:26 pm 
 

Being a US citizen, I do not believe that what happened in New Orleans had anything to do with racism, not 1 iota. To me it is just clear cut case of incompetence on several levels of the goverment structure. I am not fool enough to think that racism has been eradicated in the US, or anywhere else for that matter, but I think that for you to believe that the government agencies on all levels involved in this disaster were organized enough to even act that way on purpose, even if they had the desire to which I can guarentee you that they didn't, you are giving them all far too much credit. This mess was created by people in charge who did not know what to do in this situation. Another fact that people seem to be completely overlooking when the yell racism, is that for every person that could not get out of the city for whatever reason prior to the storm hitting there was a person who decided to stay and "tough it out".


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:53 am 
 

GraysonAC wrote:
I'd be very interested to hear why you assume racism played no part in anything. NO is(was) a city where violence was spurred by a lot of things, and race is unquestionably one of those things. Do some background reading on some of the reasons that NO had such a high murder rate, and I think you'll find your faith in humanity goes down a notch.




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    I don't know how things are in Canada, but here in the US, claims of racism and other sorts or bias are a cottage industry worth hundreds of millions every year.



    There are people who make their living off of nothing else than lawsuits and other crap involving charges of racism.



    Someone with personal motives blaming ____________(insert issue) on racism is so standard in America that we don't usually even listen anymore.  



    Belief in "racists" and other bad people is so common among certain sectors of American society that it closely approximates the belief of the people of 17th century Salem in witchcraft.  



    Remember when Charles II lost some of the Scottish royal treasure on a ferry trip from the Isle of Lewis?  Some old ladies were tried, convicted and executed as the witches responsible for the disaster.



    Same thing here.



   Thus...storm...disaster...resulting problems absolutely MUST = Racism. It is a uniquely American pastime.   8)


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:13 am 
 

hey guys, cmon now - we've gone way off topic here...



  

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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:24 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:hey guys, cmon now - we've gone way off topic here...


Cataclysm. Pestelence. Thievery. Tribal warfare. Sounds like a good campaign to me.


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:08 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:
Cataclysm. Pestelence. Thievery. Tribal warfare. Sounds like a good campaign to me.




thats normal life in Glasgow isnt it? :D



  

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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:23 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:A question for you all about defending your life time's collection ......



If there was a natural disaster in your city, you were far away not to be significantly affected. You had fresh water and plenty of food and were in no immediate danger. Wouldn't you stay put?



How would you feel if the US Government told you you had to leave, and leave everything you owned behind?



How would you feel if you faced the next 20 years trying to fight the US Government for compensation for losses they forced you to take? Had to fight corporate insurance giants who are in the business of not paying out?



Is the US Governments policy of 'screw you', disarm them and ship them out, the right one? I thought you guys had rights under the consitiution?




mbass,



I know most Americans have no idea how our system of government works, so I'll give you a pass, too. The U.S. Federal government has absolutely no control over state issues. They cannot issue evacution orders or even tell a state to do it. We have this little thing called a Constitution here and a whole group of laws prescribing state vs. federal authority.



The federal goverment was not in charge at the Superdome - it was all local authorities. Please go back and read some of the other posts describing the incompetence and corruption that runs rampant in that city. The governor actually wanted to hold off on mandatory evac of the city because she wasn't sure the water pollution was a problem!!!! Crap, even that bozo of a mayor could read the writing on the wall by then. Once the feds stepped in, everything has run brilliantly. Yeah, it took them longer than it should have - maybe 24-48 hours max. But considering the extent of the damage was the size of Kansas, I am not as critical as others. The Salvation Army and Red Cross were ready to go in and help, but were told to stay out by local NO authorities because they were assesing the damage...now they want to bitch that everyone showed up too late?!!!



And all those local political morons saying they didn't have time to plan the evac or execute it are lying through their teeth. I live 1,000 miles away and I knew they were gonna get nailed two or three days before. All the news channels were talking about it. And funny how old Miss and Alabama aren't complaining - they were ground zero for the hit!!! No, they have their shit together.


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:09 pm 
 

I don't mean to sound rude, but I have to agree with killjoy, this is getting far from the topic.



BTW, IO, you sill haven't have said if you'd adopt me. I'm house trained :)


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:46 pm 
 

I think the topic drifted into what would happen if all your stuff was destroyed in some sort of catastrophic event...



I have my stuff on various lists, but that is about it. It is time to break out the digital camera or camcorder and make a true record of my collection. It certainly is not even close to IOs, but I would estimate I am in the 10K club as far as value goes.



Anybody else have this sort of thought?


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:29 pm 
 

Some of you have collections that really do need protecting.  You need to get it all out and photograph it and print off internet price lists to support your insurance updates.


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:17 pm 
 

My collection is on a portable hard drive. The items in my collection that I simply must have hard copies of are all in the one box. All the other boxes are either things to be scanned, or things that have been scanned and are waiting to go back on eBay.


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:44 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:My collection is on a portable hard drive. The items in my collection that I simply must have hard copies of are all in the one box. All the other boxes are either things to be scanned, or things that have been scanned and are waiting to go back on eBay.




mine kinda takes up a room, but i have it all inventoried - which is almost complete



  

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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:02 pm 
 

The more I think about this, the more my brain starts to hurt (ala mbass). Not only do I need to do a better job of completing my list, I need to photograph this stuff. Then contact my home owners insurance and see if and how I need to report it.

Fortunately, I can electronically store all the data and pics at work for back up. One of the few perks of owning my own business.

This is looking to be a monumental task. And I do not think I have that much stuff, especially when I look over at IO  8O


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:49 pm 
 

*changes the thread title*



Now we're back on topic… :) :lol:



Seriously though, what does all this stuff matter? The only loss I'd feel if all of this was destroyed would be the loss to our little community. Sure I have it all insured and believe me all of the rares were in waterproof cases safe and sound during the storm, but it's really about us. I like many of you guys have been a gamer my entire life and the losing of 1st prints, manuscripts, or our entire collection won't take that away from me.



I don't post these pictures to brag or boast, but instead inspire people, myself included. Over this last weekend I had my two thirteen year old cousins and a few of their friends over for the first time. You should have seen their eyes! They were in a total world of amazement as I showed them where their favorite tabletop wargames and online RPG's had their origins. But, I also told them that they would one day way surpass all of this, and not to look at it as a shrine that could never be obtained, but instead as a launching point for their imagination.



I have lived through several hurricanes including Andrew and witnessed the death and destruction. But, what I learned from these events was that people not the government made all the difference. The daily human kindness not reported throughout these kinds of catastrophes makes one fall to their knees and thank God for just being alive.



Enzo Ferrari said on his deathbed only two words, "forget me", and as a youth this puzzled me, but as an adult I truly understand these words. It simply means that it really doesn't matter… life is going to go on and move forward; it's always been that way.



To ALL that have been affected but this storm, be strong, have faith, and help one another. Our thoughts, prayers, and support are with you…



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BTW, IO, you sill haven't have said if you'd adopt me. I'm house trained




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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:02 pm 
 

Here is a question for ya Mike.  Not including *unique* items, is there anything out there that you don't currently own, that you are looking for e.g 1st print Dwarven Glory. Just curious. :)


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:04 pm 
 

(1st Chain, IIRC. or maybe that's another recent acquisition I don't know about... ;))



*looks around the shelves*



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