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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:05 pm

killjoy32 wrote:
afoolandhis$ wrote: Maybe I'll chime in anyway...sorry Al.

oi feck off and lemme alone

its ok i will just end up waiting til gencon next year and pick up two

Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to get there before you do. :twisted:

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:14 pm

afoolandhis$ wrote:

Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to get there before you do.

ya know, you can really take a dislike to some folk

Are we nearly there yet?

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:17 pm

killjoy32 wrote:
afoolandhis$ wrote:
Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to get there before you do.

ya know, you can really take a dislike to some folk

Any chance I should make an advance block booking with the homicide squad?

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:50 pm

harami2000 wrote:
killjoy32 wrote:
ya know, you can really take a dislike to some folk

Any chance I should make an advance block booking with the homicide squad?

lol nah i aint that bothered really. may the best person win n all that - i will get one some day

Are we nearly there yet?

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:15 pm

improvstone wrote:
bclarkie wrote:Who are these people anyway?? 1st some guy named gutboy.barrellhouse with a 7 feedback wins the 1st/2nd print woody auction for a seeming ridiculous price and now some mark11777 guy shows up and has this Tsojconth auction at a riduclous price. WFT?!

And I get stirred by you guys for my bids Hell, I am tame compared to these.

It is now $600 more than the one I bought last year!

Holy great big fat flying pigs batman...

The auction is now at $1,825.00 8O 8O 8O 8O

Let me just say ... actually I am lost for words.... I now wonder whether it will be sold for double?

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:22 pm

improvstone wrote:
improvstone wrote:

And I get stirred by you guys for my bids Hell, I am tame compared to these.

It is now $600 more than the one I bought last year!

Holy great big fat flying pigs batman...

The auction is now at $1,825.00

Let me just say ... actually I am lost for words.... I now wonder whether it will be sold for double?

The most confusing thing to me is the fact that I was pretty sure a2jeff already has a Tsojconth doesn't he?

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Neitzche

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:30 pm

bclarkie wrote:The most confusing thing to me is the fact that I was pretty sure A2jeff already has a Tsojconth doesn't he?

If so it is possible the copy he has is not mint and he wants to upgrade ....

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:31 pm

improvstone wrote:
bclarkie wrote:The most confusing thing to me is the fact that I was pretty sure A2jeff already has a Tsojconth doesn't he?

If so it is possible the copy he has is not mint and he wants to upgrade ....

I mean I don't want to be too critical, but for $1800.00....................

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:46 pm

improvstone wrote:The auction is now at $1,825.00

Let me just say ... actually I am lost for words.... I now wonder whether it will be sold for double?

Personally, I think the third bidder knew where to stop, even if it would've looked good on the other side of the map.

Btw, Firen (in 4th) is another person who has made very high, aggressive bids in the past on various auctions, albeit mostly on Chaosium-related stuff.

Looking forward to next time. (Although I'm sure the seller's smart enough to know how/when to release any further copies they might have...).

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:51 pm

harami2000 wrote:
improvstone wrote:The auction is now at $1,825.00

Let me just say ... actually I am lost for words.... I now wonder whether it will be sold for double?

Personally, I think the third bidder knew where to stop, even if it would've looked good on the other side of the map.

Btw, Firen (in 4th) is another person who has made very high, aggressive bids in the past on various auctions, albeit mostly on Chaosium-related stuff.

Looking forward to next time. (Although I'm sure the seller's smart enough to know how/when to release any further copies they might have...).

Well considering for $1800.00 I could have flown to this years Gen Con, stayed for 3 days and 2 nights in an upscale hotel, and by way the while I was there picked up 2 copies of Tsojconth, all for less than the bid is right now, IMHO, it might be a bit high. :wink:

Maybe it might worth the trip next year.

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:53 pm

bclarkie wrote:Well considering for $1800.00 I could have flown to this years Gen Con, stayed for 3 days and 2 nights in an upscale hotel, and by way the while I was there picked up 2 copies of Tsojconth, all for less than the bid is right now, IMHO, it might be a bit high.

Maybe it might worth the trip next year.

I'll just make sure I manage to get through on the 'phone, next time.

(Don't fly too well, anyhow...

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:53 pm

bclarkie wrote:
I mean I don't want to be too critical, but for $1800.00....................

True, but consider this: How much would it have sold for 10 years ago?

Also if the item continues to increase in value then it is worth the money.

Say the item sold for $10 originally

With an ave 4% inflation then it has increased in value annually by approx 30%. (hoepfully my maths here isn't too rusty ... *improv makes a saving throw against bad maths*)

Even at the price I paid the rate of return is approx 25%.

Much better than the lousy 4% a bank will give you :wink:

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:57 pm

harami2000 wrote:(Don't fly too well, anyhow... )

Al the better for the rest of us... just remember everyone to flood Frank's mobile with phone calls so David can't bid :wink:

Seriously, David it is about time we organised an Acaeum party at GenCon 2006. We could even organise some sort of gaming momento fo acaeum members that attend.

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:12 pm

improvstone wrote:
bclarkie wrote:
I mean I don't want to be too critical, but for $1800.00....................

True, but consider this: How much would it have sold for 10 years ago?

Do you remember the oB3 bidding "spikes", Mike?

First one up for sale in 1984 went for $300 and then they languished downwards (multiple copies available from GenCon dealers in 1995 for $130-150) before finally breaching the previous high point in 1997 and going directly to $1,500+ in 1999 (thanks to eBay!) with several people talking about $2,000+ "soon", but then back down to $600-850 (generally) through 2002/3.

Who'd like to guarantee prices only go upwards?

(But even at today's "values", still a very good investment for those board members here who bought their copies in 1995).

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:20 pm

improvstone wrote:Al the better for the rest of us... just remember everyone to flood Frank's mobile with phone calls so David can't bid

(I think he had enough trouble last time without that "help"! ).

All I need is to get through to someone in the auction area. A major bonus to get a brief expert assessment of the top-flight items from Frank, though.

improvstone wrote:Seriously, David it is about time we organised an Acaeum party at GenCon 2006. We could even organise some sort of gaming momento fo acaeum members that attend.

Is that the target release date for Steve's "Planes" material?

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:50 pm

improvstone wrote:
bclarkie wrote:
I mean I don't want to be too critical, but for $1800.00....................

True, but consider this: How much would it have sold for 10 years ago?

Also if the item continues to increase in value then it is worth the money.

Say the item sold for $10 originally

With an ave 4% inflation then it has increased in value annually by approx 30%. (hoepfully my maths here isn't too rusty ... *improv makes a saving throw against bad maths*)

Even at the price I paid the rate of return is approx 25%.

Much better than the lousy 4% a bank will give you

Sorry for veering waaay off topic but I'm curious on the math...here's what I ended up with. By "sold originally" I assume you meant 27 years ago.

At 4% inflation, $10 (27 years ago) is worth about $27.72 today (10 * (1.04 ^ 26)).

So if it sells for $1800 now, that works out to:

27.72 * ( (1+x) ^ 26) = 1800

where 'x' is the average annual rate of return in %.

Solving for x, I end up with 0.174, or 17.4% annually. So obviously I'm doing something different.

Still not bad at all, considering we had a recession in there. :wink:

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:48 pm

Hi David, as regards sales history of orange b3`s i just wanted to set the record straight. i bought the first one sold at gencon, and it was $46. i bought the next one as well for $71. the third one went for $310 (i dropped out at 250; i was 18 yrs old & that was a lot of $$ at the time). i still have that first one i bought although-horror of horrors-i took the shrinkwrap off to see what the hubbub was all about. and by the way, one had actually come up for sale 2 years earlier, but the seller wanted 250 minimum and my brother-in-law wouldn`t loan me the money so nobody bought it.

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:21 pm

deimos3428 wrote:Sorry for veering waaay off topic but I'm curious on the math...here's what I ended up with. By "sold originally" I assume you meant 27 years ago.

At 4% inflation, $10 (27 years ago) is worth about $27.72 today (10 * (1.04 ^ 26)).

So if it sells for $1800 now, that works out to:

27.72 * ( (1+x) ^ 26) = 1800

where 'x' is the average annual rate of return in %.

Solving for x, I end up with 0.174, or 17.4% annually. So obviously I'm doing something different.

Still not bad at all, considering we had a recession in there.

Trust a bloody Canuk to check my maths. And one from Toronto at that. :lol:

My mistake I took 20 years rather than 27. :twisted:

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