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Post Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:30 am 
 

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Now if that original copy was on the block. 8O :D Good luck to all the bidders just the same. :)

Does that bend/break copyright? No idea, and I don't really care, and I doubt the current copyright holder cares, either. Love to hear Frank's own take on this, though.




jeez if the original was up for sale, can you imagine the chaos that would ensue!! i think there are more than a fair number of peeps out there that would love to have it for their collection ( i would )...



its a shame the "copyright" angle puts a spolier on something that the true fans out there would love to have a part of and if frank makes a few $ in the meantime, like its gonna affect worldwise sales? i think not.



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Post Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:49 am 
 

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Er... I'm no lawyer, but if it's illegal to make copies, wouldn't it be just as illegal to make and sell 1 as to make and sell 100?




I guess so. But when Frank said:



"This sale is structured mostly in reflection to that fact."



I took it to mean that, as Improvstone said, it's unlikely that WOTC would go after him for selling one copy. All the negative publicity from harassing a living legend over a single copy that he himself worked on would probably be the last thing WOTC wants to deal with.



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I don't think Frank is out to make tons of money, he probably wants to share the "original" TOEE with the world, which I can understand.




I'm guessing that he'd love to share it with the world, it's just that copyright law screws that idea up. He admitted in that thread that it's being sold to help fund future development projects, which I think is great. And that's another reason why I wish he was able to sell copies at $25 a pop or something. There are roughly 1,600 registered members at DF alone. If a mere 10% of them wanted a copy of this for $25 (and I don't think that number would be unrealistic), that's $4,000.  8O



I seriously doubt that anyone is going to bid anywhere near that high for a photocopy. So that sucks...he could make a lot more if he was able to sell it by the copy instead of one auction.



I wish Frank could call WOTC and tell them "Listen you little losers! I'm gonna sell this the way I want and if I hear any lip from you, I'll ram a boot into your anatomy!".  :twisted:



I respect copyright as much as the next guy, but after what TSR and WOTC did to Gary and all that, I simply don't care about breaking copyright from them. Call it karma.  :wink:



Like WOTC should worry. What, do they think all their 3E players are gonna put off buying the "3.5E Guide to Godlike Forgotten Realms Characters" in order to purchase a photocopy of a game they've mainly never played?  :roll:


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:50 am 
 

Just out of curiosity, what do the rest of you think the price would hit if the original (not the copy) went to auction? 8O


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:03 pm 
 

Halaster Blackcloak wrote:Just out of curiosity, what do the rest of you think the price would hit if the original (not the copy) went to auction? 8O




I'd guess in the range of $2K - $3K, probably closer to the upper end given its wild popularity.  But that's just my guess.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:43 pm 
 

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I'd guess in the range of $2K - $3K, probably closer to the upper end given its wild popularity.  But that's just my guess.




Agreed… maybe even more for an original unique like that. I mean that's up there with the DMG painting and such.



That leads me to a question for you guys. Do you think there are serious collectors that don't for what ever reason make themselves known around here?


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:46 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:That leads me to a question for you guys. Do you think there are serious collectors that don't for what ever reason make themselves known around here?




Have wondered about this on numerous occasions, most recently after the Kuntz auctions.  I believe there are, though in low numbers.

  


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invincibleoverlord wrote:That leads me to a question for you guys. Do you think there are serious collectors that don't for what ever reason make themselves known around here?


Have wondered about this on numerous occasions, most recently after the Kuntz auctions. I believe there are, though in low numbers.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:46 pm 
 

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That leads me to a question for you guys. Do you think there are serious collectors that don't for what ever reason make themselves known around here?




When selling my ST1, I had a couple getting in touch with me via my ebay account.  Presumably having an Acaeum account would have bought attention to them!

  


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:14 pm 
 

I'm waiting to see whether anyone points out that this lot actually breaks their own auction rules; http://forums.gencon.com/?f=29&m=165&p=2



Frank Mentzer wrote:We REFUSE to accept: photocopies or fakes, bootleg software, pirated or home-made videos/DVDs, or livestock...


But then Tsojs and 3rd PotVQs do, too... :D



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aside to GenCon attendees, for later: apologies, it looks as though I'm not going to get a chance to snipe you, this year! ;)



I couldn't get through to Frank's cell 'phone earlier today to confirm whether three rares had indeed turned up, in order to leave proxy bids, and was too late by the time I got back tonight. (The convention centre doesn't have a switchboard open at 5pm local time(!) and there's no way I'm calling Frank during an auction. :o



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Post Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:02 pm 
 

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*tries to figure out how I can hop over to GenCon in the next 5-6 hours or so* :P




i was actually having that same thought this morning myself you know - until i couldnt get a flight to suit so that was that one finished before it started :D



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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:34 am 
 

I'm living vicariously through one of my friends at GC who has an old (1995?) D&D notebook (2nd ed DMG art cover on the front) of mine with him at GC & is getting it signed for me. Apparently Larry Elmore sketched something it :D.



My friend also said Ed Greenwood was there with Elminster minis that have a misprint.. El is CE  :twisted:


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:38 am 
 

harami2000 wrote:
afoolandhis$ wrote:
Have wondered about this on numerous occasions, most recently after the Kuntz auctions. I believe there are, though in low numbers.


Agreed with y'both.




Just from a comparison with the Acaeum and ebay identities, I can think of a few: tauglorimorgorus, theshield2000 and, most especially:  



bill######(I can't think of what the acutal series of numbers is that follows bill's ID, but it is about 8 of them and I am sure you have all seen it before) and thefantasymuseum.



(I'll add beardedtoad as well, though I noticed that Frank gave him a neg for not  paying on a $921 item . . . )


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:45 am 
 

beyondthebreach wrote:(I'll add beardedtoad as well, though I noticed that Frank gave him a neg for not paying on a $921 item . . . )




what was the item?



  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:13 am 
 

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beyondthebreach wrote:(I'll add beardedtoad as well, though I noticed that Frank gave him a neg for not paying on a $921 item . . . )




what was the item?




Link is expired so DL36 will have to try and remember . . . however, I have seen him in the past - I think he was the one who helped bid the C2 Mono up to $1,600 + a ways back . . . can't remember for sure on that one though . . .


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:49 am 
 

I wonder what the ToEE went for? I peeked around on the official and unofficial GenCon forums, but alas nothing yet.  :roll:


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:01 pm 
 

bill####### is actually a member here,  occassionaly posts under the name of stratochamp. :wink:


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:11 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:bill####### is actually a member here, occassionaly posts under the name of stratochamp. :wink:


<bill77197719>. Yep; he's got one or two "interesting" D&D items... 8)



Don't know what Christophe will make of being included in that list above. True, he's yet another person with the variant U&WA, but I think he paid closer to the $150 I originally paid for mine...

  


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what was the item?




Link is expired so DL36 will have to try and remember . . . however, I have seen him in the past - I think he was the one who helped bid the C2 Mono up to $1,600 + a ways back . . . can't remember for sure on that one though . . .




Yes, I was the unfortunate recipient of Beardedtoad's rather exorbitant bids....and it was the C2 mono in that range.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:38 pm 
 

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bclarkie wrote:bill####### is actually a member here, occassionaly posts under the name of stratochamp. :wink:


<bill77197719>. Yep; he's got one or two "interesting" D&D items... 8)



Don't know what Christophe will make of being included in that list above. True, he's yet another person with the variant U&WA, but I think he paid closer to the $150 I originally paid for mine...


Interesting, "7719" is "bill" upsidedown.  Should make it easy to remember... :)

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:15 am 
 

Copy of TOEE went for $900.  Frank stated during the auction that he would promise not to make a copy for two years.  He also stated his intention is to never make another copy again.  He did mention that he might make an exception to that for the Legends of Gaming museum, but that would be the only exception.



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