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Post Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:16 pm 
 

Gus Landt wrote:You auctioneers did a fantastic job of getting the most money possible for the sellers. If not for you guys, a number of the rarer items wouldn't have gotten half the money they did!




Well, as Frank always says, it is our job to represent the sellers.  I'm glad you think we did a good job.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:34 pm 
 

jtotheb wrote:
Gus Landt wrote:You auctioneers did a fantastic job of getting the most money possible for the sellers. If not for you guys, a number of the rarer items wouldn't have gotten half the money they did!




Well, as Frank always says, it is our job to represent the sellers. I'm glad you think we did a good job.




Yes it was a good job, I for one will also bring a few rareties next year as well.  I also intend to get more series about winning the stuff I want.



Frank was a fountain of knowledge and the auction callers did a remarkable job considering how late it went.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:27 pm 
 

GenCon Auction 2005 Summary



Listed below:

107 lots @ $100+

132 lots @ $50-99.50



Not listed below:

684 lots @ $20-49.50

1496 lots @ $10-19.50

1326 lots @ $5-9.50

3163 lots @ $1-4.50



Total all lots submitted for auction: 9537

Total lots Sold: 6908

Total lots Unsold: 2629 (99+% fixed-price store items)



Total items unidentifiable by any staff: 1 (obscure wargame, sealed, no manufacturer noted)

Total items not offered due to time constraints: Zero!

  

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Auction 2005 "Top Guns" Listing



$3,800  MtG Unlimited Set, Near-Mint (302 pcs)

$1,250  Original D&D Cover Art: Gods Demigods & Heroes (supplement book 4) (Sutherland)

$925  MtG Collection (huge), sorted & boxed, Exc. cond.



900  Temple of Elemental Evil manuscript copy (Gygax, before Mentzer)

900  Crystal Caste Dice: Sahara Chondrite Meteorite

775  Crystal Caste Dice: Megalodon Fossil



750  Lost Caverns of Tsojconth Tournament, AD&D (Near mint)

700  Aces Speed Painting Figures (10), Set (Charity)

675  Larry Elmore: Original Pen & Ink Artwork (Charity)

575  Titan, 1st edition (mint/uncirc, McAllister collection)

500  Empire of the Petal Throne (Mint)



475  Lost Caverns of Tsojconth Tournament (VG/Exc)

450  Chainmail, 2nd printing (Rules for Medieval Miniatures)

450  MtG: Midvalued Rares

400  Castle Set (Huge, 4 large 84gal totes)

380  Krokinole (circa 1895)

320  Titan: Battlelands Expansion (mint/uncirc, McAllister collection)

320  Palace of the Vampire Queen (AD&D)

300  Battle Over Britain: Original SPI/TSR Artwork (cover)

300  Dune - Chronicles of the Imperium (Hardback, GenCon 2000 Ltd. Ed.)



280  Gestapo Monopoly (SPI in-house 1973, by Stephen Cole)

270  Larry Elmore: SnarfQuest episode, Original Artwork (3 panels)

270  Egg of the Phoenix R-3 (shrink)

270  KODT #1 (mint/near-mint)

260  The General Magazine (106 Issues)

250  D&D White Box, OCE, 7th printing (with Dragon subscr. Prices)

240  Settlers of Catan: Wasser des Lebens (In Glen Grant whiskey tube, with minibottle)

230  Investigation of Hydell R-2 (shrink)

230  Lendore Isles Spellfire Card & Artwork (Tom Wham) with original sketches

220  Dune - Chronicles of the Imperium (Hardback, GenCon 2000 Ltd. Ed.)

220  MtG: Unglued Box

210  City of Adventure

210  Middle Earth: The Ring Trilogy (punched)

200  Fortress America (Saddam edition, Shrink)

200  The Wargamer Magazine #1 (with illegal Tolkien game, UK; near-mint)

200  Empire of the Petal Throne (VG)

200  Dragonlance Concept Paperwork by David Sutherland (with 1 original Elmore pencil sketch)

200  BattleDroids (2 mechs assembled)



195 Keith Parkinson "Shandara", Ltd. Ed. Signed Numbered print, professionally framed

190  Talisman: 1st Edition (Unpunched, mint)

185  Auction Staff Buttons 2005 (1 complete set, handmade by Tom Wham)

180  War Between the States (unpunched)

180  Kriegspiel (final/traveling item, unique)

175  Led Zeppelin Ticket (Cancelled concert/Bonham's death) (Charity)

170  Ant Wars (mint/uncirc, McAllister collection)

170  Dune - Chronicles of the Imperium (Hardback, GenCon 2000 Ltd. Ed.)

165  Supremacy & Supremacy Mega Map

155  After the Holocaust (unpunched)

155  D&D OCE (6th print, White Box with splash)

155  Dark Tower (complete & functional, Exc cond.)

155  GenCon 2002 (last Milwaukee) Dealer Room Banner #200

155  Supremacy, 1st printing



150  D&D OCE (6th print, White Box with splash)

150  Dice Bag: Original Jeff Easley artwork (Charity)

150  Necklace & Ear ring ("Nessie; opals with gold & sterling silver, fishnet design)

150  GenCon 2002 (last Milwaukee) Dealer Room Banner #600

148  D&D OCE (6th print, White Box with splash)

145  Dice Bag: Original Ralph Horsley artwork + 4 MtG cards, autographed (Charity)

140  Rules for the Live Ring game (1973, outdoor game, illegal Tolkien)

140  Squad Leader Cardgame 3-pack: Up Front, Banzai, Desert War

135  Dungeon Tac Cards, 2 sets + rare uncut sheets

130  Original Artwork by Barbi Johnson (Charity)

130  Campaign for North Africa

122  Auction Staff Buttons 2005 (1 complete set, handmade by Tom Wham)



120  Metamorphosis Alpha (1st printing, Good con.)

120  The Two Towers (illegal Tolkien wargame)

120  MtG Arabian: Juzam Djinn

115  Dragon Magazine #1 (Good cond.)

115  Task Force (unpunched/near-mint)

115  Talisman: Timescape Expansion (near mint)

112  Judges Guild Case Lot*

112  Judges Guild Case Lot*

110  Empire of the Petal Throne: ultra-rare Poster

110  Master Maze cavern set #015 (near-mint, pieces still bagged/sealed)

110  MtG Legends: Mana Drain

110  MtG Legends: Mana Drain

110  Northwest Frontier: Tubed maps for EPT (1982, 3rd printing, near mint)

110  Nuclear War (1965 1st ed. Black, VG cond.)

110  Terrible Swift Sword (unpunched)

110  Twixt (1st Printing tall/fat/wood, complete, VG cond.)

110  Up Against the Wall, MotherF**! (student protest game 1969, Exc. cond.)



105  Battlefleet Gothic

105  Booty and the Beasts

105  JG Case Lot: 100 pc Judges Guild, some still shrink ($105 @, 10 cases)

105  MtG Legends Mana Drain

105  MtG Legends: Mana Drain

105  Republic of Rome

100  1829 with (ultra-rare) Supplements 1, 2, 5, 6

100  4th Dimension (1st print, pre-TSR)

100  AD&D Fighting Wheel (slipcover stained, wheel mint)

100  AD&D Non-Player Character Records (6 pk)

100  Bone dice, 4 (late or post-civil war, c. 1865-70)

100  Empire of the Petal Throne: Accessory Grab bag

100  Gods, Demigods & Heroes

100  MtG Starter Brick (10, sealed; WOC16100)

100  MtG: Green/Red Rares

100  MtG: White/Artifact/Mixed Color

100  Sinking of the Titanic (mint/unassembled)



96  White Bear Red Moon

95  Bone Dice, Pre-1831 (King George III tax stamp)

92  Modern Battles II

90  GenCon 2002 (last Milwaukee) Dealer Room Banner #900

90  NATO Division Commander

86  RoboRally (1st ed., shrink)

86  RoboRally: Armed & Dangerous (shrink)

85  L5R 1st Ed. Clan Book set (faux leather bound)

85  Cosmic Encounter + Expansion 1-4, 6-7, 9

85  The Wargamer Magazine #2 (mint, UK)

82  Broadside (American Heritage, near mint)

81  RoboRally: Crash & Burn

80  Middle Earth: War of Ring

80  MageKnight Apocalypse Dragon (largest-ever MK fig)

80  WotC 10-Year Employee tie-tack, 14k gold with Diamond

80  Spellfire: Mordenkainen's Disjunction, orig. Wham artwork & card

80  MtG: Ice Age (Full set, mint/near-mint, binder)

80  Dragon Attack (vs pegasus) Stained Glass

80  Arduin Grimoire Collection



78  MtG: Rath Cycle Stronghold, booster brick (shrink)

78  MtG: Rath Cycle Stronghold, booster brick (shrink)

77  Atlantic Wall

76  MageKnight Apocalypse Dragon (largest-ever MK fig)

75  Wings of the Valkrie (recalled Hero Nazi product) (shrink)

75  LJN AD&D Toy: Tiamat Five Headed Evil Dragon

75  Crossroads book (Harold Shea), Original Wham Manuscript & Book

74  Orks! Greenskins, Greenskins, Greenskins

72  Empires in Arms (unpunched)

72  Up Front (cards in shrink)

72  Blood Bowl

70  MtG: Black/Blue Rares

70  Master Maze: Wicked Additions I (#006, mint)

70  Master Maze: Wicked Additions II (#011, mint)

70  Master Maze: Wicked Additions II (#011, mint)

70  The Ringbearer (illegal Tolkien)

70  Heroquest: Game + Keller's Keep + Return of the Witchlord (all unpunched)

70  Master Maze: Advanced Builder (#017, mint)

70  AD&D Rares: Dark and Hidden Ways & Wild Things (with MonsterComp V1+V3)

70  Gangbusters Bonus Pack (10th anniv., shrink)

70  TSR pewter belt buckle (Sutherland's, with certif. authen.)

70  Tales of the Arabian Nights (punched but unplayed)

70  Siege of Minas Tirith (Jordison, illegal Tolkien)

68  Dark Tomorrow

68  MtG embroidered Jacket (Adkison's, Charity)

68  D&D White Box OCE (6th print, fair/good, no ref sheets)

67  Wargaming Minis: American Squad (11 figs)

67  Talisman: Dungeon expansion (no box)

66  The Peloponnesian War

66  AD&D Tablecloth (1983 license)

65  DungeonQuest: Catacombs

65  10th Anniv D&D Bonus Pack S2+WG4 (shrink)

64  Wargaming Minis: German Squad (10 figs)

64  AD&D: 9 I-series modules I 3-5 & I 9-14

62  Talisman: City Expansion (no box)

62  HeroClix Bundle

62  Peloponnesian War

62  Kara Tur (AD&D)

60  Master Maze: Traps! (#018, mint)

60  Coral Sea: Variant for AH Midway (Mint)

60  Elric: Battle at the End of Time (1981, unpunched)

60  Streets of Fire (ASL Module)

60  Age of Renaissance

60  LJN AD&D Toys: Good Guys Character Set (5 characters)

60  Middle Earth The Rings Trilogy (punched)

60  Star Wars Posters (Hardees)

60  Adeptus Titanicus (unassembled)

60  Master Maze: Narrow Passage (#014, mint)

60  Star Wars Empire Strikes Back posters (Hardees)

60  Dungeon! Boardgame, 2nd printing

60  Wargaming Minis: American Squad

60  Iron Dragon Book: Wham / Estes Manuscript & Book

60  Talisman: Timescape Expansion (no box, missing 3 of 4 data sheets)

60  The Temple of Elemental Evil (Exc. cond.)

60  Master Maze: Deluxe Room (#009, mint)

60  Masks of Nyarlathotep

60  Dice Bag: Original Michael Bielaczyc art

58  10 Undead Pro Painted Minis

58  Lovecraft Mythos Mss. for GD&H (copy, 9 pg)

58  Elric: At the End of Time (shrink)

57  Dracolich, Rawcliffe Pewter RF3950 (Ltd. Ed. #1163 of 1250)

56  Britannia

56  RoboRally (shrink)

56  Legend of the Five Rings Limited Edition Clan Book Set

56  Foam Buildings (16)

55  MtG: Poster of Magic Cards

55  Advanced Third Reich (near mint)

55  Dungeon! Boardgame

55  Nuclear War (1978 2nd ed. White, VG Cond.)

55  The Next War

54  Snit's Revenge: 2 pc Original Wham cover art

54  MtG: Ice Age in German, booster brick

54  Typhoon

52  AD&D First Quest Music Album (UK, Double LP)

52  Conquest of the Empire (+8 extra pcs)

52  Up Front cardgame

52  Deities & Demigods with Cthulhu, 2nd print

52  H4 Throne of Bloodstone AD&D

52  Conquest of the Ring

51  Hannibal (unpunched)

51  Space Hulk (missing dreadnaughts)

50  Tobruk

50  Babylon Wars Lot

50  Risk (1959 wood, Exc. contents)

50  Lord of the Rings game

50  RoboRally

50  Cosmic Encounter (punched) & Expansions 1 & 4 (unpunched)

50  D-Day

50  WGA4 Vecna Lives! (near-mint)

50  City State of the World Emperor

50  Hedgerow Hell Deluxe ASL Module

50  Talisman: 2nd ed. (no box, missing some counters)

50  Master Maze: Octagonal Room (#003, mint)

50  H3 The Bloodstone Wars AD&D (mint)

50  Master Maze: Room (#001, mint)

50  Battletech Compendium: The Rules of Warfare (Ltd. Ed. #681 of 1000, signed)

50  Holographic Princess Leia (AFA grade 85)

50  Heroquest (play copy, Exc cond.)

50  Call of Cthulhu: 2nd Edition

50  Master Maze: Deluxe Room (#009, missing some torches)

50  Cavernous Passages Set (DwForge)

50  Shogun (2nd print, parts mint)

50  Fury of Dracula

50  Dune (AH, Exc. cond.)

50  Dragon Magazine #2 (G/VG cond.)

50  Lords & Wizards (unpunched)

50  Cavernous Passages Set (DwForge)

50  Master Maze: Short Passages (#010, mint)

50  Wargame Magazines, misc./various

50  Dungeon Magazine #1 (near mint)

50  The Temple of Elemental Evil (AD&D T1-4, Exc. cond.)

50  RoboRally (Exc. cond.)

50  Streets of Stalingrad (1979, Exc. cond.)



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48  Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince Poster (plastic, from Borders)

  


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:56 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:250  D&D White Box, OCE, 7th printing (with Dragon subscr. Prices)


Hi, Frank. Noticed this one.



I dropped you a PM off the back the GenCon forum post below. Would be interested to compare notes when you're less busy, if you've got an inside line on this.



We had a thread over on New print(s) of the OCE set? • Collecting General •  The Acaeum , etc., although I'm now somewhat ambivalent on how to read that stocklist difference in the context of the other (possibly constant) variations - see the following page of the thread. My initial presumption as to why the column was blank may have biased my interpretation somewhat... :(

And then there's at least one other very clearly defined printing in terms of cardstock, identified since, which may reveal further content differences/possible printing order, but I've been waiting to stack up a few more sets first in order to try to encompass other possible variations.

(Unfortunately the prices started to go up again...).



For now, I might just be sticking to "with/without stocklist price column".



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But ANY OD&D goes well; they've seen considerable increase in value & appreciation in the last 3 years. Condition is a major factor of course. You didn't say whether it's a Brownbox (1st-3rd print) or Whitebox (4th-5th print) or White with Sunburst (aka OCE, Original Collectors' Edition, i.e. 6th printing).

  


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:04 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:70 TSR pewter belt buckle (Sutherland's, with certif. authen.)


I thought I'd offered Burnie Bros. more than that, privately. Same one? :?

Only remembered one such employee-only casting in DCS's sale, anyhow...



*looks around in case anyone here bought it*



ExTSR wrote:270 Larry Elmore: SnarfQuest episode, Original Artwork (3 panels)


Rats!

And I've been asking Larry a couple of times whether he was going to be selling any more... ;)



ExTSR wrote:110  Empire of the Petal Throne: ultra-rare Poster


:o

Any idea whether that was actually dating all the way back to 1975? Frank? Josh? Anyone....?



ExTSR wrote:Total items unidentifiable by any staff: 1 (obscure wargame, sealed, no manufacturer noted)

Total items not offered due to time constraints: Zero!


*looks impressed*. Great job, y'all! :)

  


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:49 pm 
 

58    Lovecraft Mythos Mss. for GD&H (copy, 9 pg)




This also looked interesting:  perhaps another long-lost RJK manuscript???  I don't recall this one being auctioned via Paul.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:55 pm 
 

grodog wrote:$58  Lovecraft Mythos Mss. for GD&H (copy, 9 pg)... This also looked interesting: perhaps another long-lost RJK manuscript??? I don't recall this one being auctioned via Paul.




This was received last year for the 30th Anniversary gala, and went for a lot more than that. It's the original J. Eric Holmes writup for the Cthulhu mythos, with a couple of letters between Holmes & Kuntz. However, all the pieces are copies, not the originals. I'm still working on the seller to let me scarf the originals -- so I can donate 'em to the Legends of Gaming nonprofit, if they approve an Archive/Museum setup.



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Post Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:58 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:$70 TSR pewter belt buckle (Sutherland's, with certif. authen... I thought I'd offered Burnie Bros. more than that, privately. Same one? :?




Same one; there is only one, which arose in the eBay Sutherland sale.



$110 Empire of the Petal Throne: ultra-rare Poster... Any idea whether that was actually dating all the way back to 1975? Frank? Josh? Anyone....?




I'll ask, but I was absent at the time, and/or don't remember it. Josh or Larry, probably, as Auctioneer. But I'd venture a guess and say the original 1975-76, for that money -- and in perfect shape.



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Post Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:47 pm 
 

We were hoping to get more on the beltbuckle, sorry David. The brass ones have sold for $50-$70 and this was David Sutherlands. Oh well!



The SnarfQuest art was ours and also went for less than we hoped. The unbublished drawing that sold at the auction went for $675 :? .



The worse disapointment was the Dragonlance concept lot, only $200.  The elmore art that went with it was worth that alone.



I think from now on most of our rare items will go on Ebay. The auction was still alot of fun despite the low sale prices. Frank and the rest of the auction staff do a great job and it is nice to meet fellow collectors in person.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:47 pm 
 

I was thinking about the GenCon auction over the weekend, about whether you can expect more or less than if you placed the item on ebay. On one hand, you have a room full of serious collectors, all with pockets full of cash who are all sure to be disappointed if there go home empty handed. You get the live atmosphere, and the chance of people getting caught up in the moment and bidding more than they planned.



On the other hand, that unique, rare, expensive item you've brough to sell has a lot of competition - looking at the list above, something that would be rare if placed on ebay may look decidedly commonplace in the auction room, compared to all the other gems.



There are a number of items in Frank's list that probably went for higher cash than if they'd been on ebay. But for Burntwire's items, I would have thought he'd get more, especially for the Dragnlance stuff. $200 was a steal for that lot.



Either way, I deliberately did a much more thorough search than usual on ebay over the last weekend, looking for stuff that may slip through unnoticed or for a good price, while the regular big spenders were in Indianapolis. Unfortunately I didn't grab anything worthy of inclusion on the Fun Finds thread.



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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:10 am 
 

Are there any major collectors left who don't use eBay in an attempt to snag the rares?  

I would imagine that eBay would usually garner a seller a higher price than Gen Con just due to there being so many more potential bidders from around the world.  The two Tsojconths at Gen Con went for a bargain compared to what the current one on eBay is probably going to end up at, for example.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:31 pm 
 

There are two notable factors influencing matters in this regard.



One is that some of y'all do this is a business. You have overhead to cover, mouths to feed, all that. I'm not knocking capitalism, I have a bakery m'self (2 stores, 20 employees). But when you consider Best Price as the only factor you're doing the hobby a disservice, imho.



The second factor is of course that at my auctions you're selling to a core gamer audience. Sure there are some resellers, but you can spot 'em fast and then grab deals for a little more than their maxima, once they factor in their markup etc.



While some of the rares we get do better at GenCon because of our reputation/integrity/duration (this was my 23rd year), and the focused gamer/collectors I attract, other rares -- most of them, bluntly -- will do better on the world market, i.e. eBay.



For sellers who want to keep it within the core participatory hobby gamers, who take the time and trouble to go to GenCon and actively support our prime pastime, it's more important to Give Back in that small way, at the cost of a few bucks perhaps, than to chase the money all the time.



I only ask that you keep this in mind as you decide which way to route items, to me or eB. Of COURSE money is a major factor, as noted above; we can't afford to let everything go cheap at the con and turn our backs on the far bigger money from outside. But if you're making your nut (as they say), try and toss us a couple o' bones. ;>



One last thing for now -- talk to your taxdude. Auction prices, whether mine or eBay, are a recognized measure of current Market Value for a piece. If I can get this NAGA thing set up right (North American Game Archives), you could donate a rare and write off a tidy chunk, based on the proven market value. And then it would be saved forever, not tucked away in a dragon's hoard.  'nuff said.



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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:26 pm 
 

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grodog wrote:$58 Lovecraft Mythos Mss. for GD&H (copy, 9 pg)... This also looked interesting: perhaps another long-lost RJK manuscript??? I don't recall this one being auctioned via Paul.




This was received last year for the 30th Anniversary gala, and went for a lot more than that. It's the original J. Eric Holmes writup for the Cthulhu mythos, with a couple of letters between Holmes & Kuntz. However, all the pieces are copies, not the originals. I'm still working on the seller to let me scarf the originals -- so I can donate 'em to the Legends of Gaming nonprofit, if they approve an Archive/Museum setup.




Thanks for the clarifications, Frank.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:20 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:
For sellers who want to keep it within the core participatory hobby gamers, who take the time and trouble to go to GenCon and actively support our prime pastime, it's more important to Give Back in that small way, at the cost of a few bucks perhaps, than to chase the money all the time.



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i would just love to go and soak up the atmosphere. i buy and sell some things, but keep others for me for now, then my kids when i am no longer here. if i went through all the trouble of going appx 5000 miles to gen con, you can rest assured that whatever i get my hands on, wont be passed to others. it will remind me of a remarkable experience! :)



so the plan goes on to trying to attend next year.



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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:53 pm 
 

Hey, btw, who all ended up getting together there.  Obviously Gus and Blackmoor did  :wink: , but who else did?


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:03 pm 
 

I couldn't make it.  Next year, I hope.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:46 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:Menzter sold his copies of R2 and R3 both in shrink. He is letting out the good stuff slowly.




Not so. Nor is the canard that the DQR7P last year was mine, which is even posted here in the item's auction history.   :?  I did put in some original tourney stuff last year (Spring Fever, Bugbear Hunt, etc.) but that one came from a fan who had been to both GenCon East and GenCon the year we did R7P.



I do have a couple (each) of the R's left but ain't sellin'; those are good longer-range investments. Lorraine destroyed many cases of 'em... ::sigh::



Frank Mentzer (not Menzter)

  
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