invincibleoverlord wrote:What I was wondering about were the pages from the "Red-Book". There were a few lots of these. Paul, was there a reason these were broken up and not sold as one lot titled "Red-Book"? Just curious...
bclarkie wrote:Wow, thats a lot of info David. I even finished ahead of Stephen on the list , although I think Stephen was counting on winning the Pit of Gebulah and so he didn't bid on a lot of other stuff because he didn't want to over extend himself too much if he one that and a bunch of other stuff.
Membership in this Society was as few as 12 members and never greater than 80
Is it possible that with so few members involved that would have gotten them in the first place, taken in conjunction with the fact that those who did have them are still holding on to them, be a cause that no one until this point has seen any sold? It wasn't like this was something that was released to the general public where someone may have been prone to sell it, this was a pretty elite group of hardcore gamers (most of which ended up being the creators of D&D) who are very likely to be still holding on to them currently. Any thoughts?
invincibleoverlord wrote:Membership in this Society was as few as 12 members and never greater than 80So eighty members by issue #13…you'd think more would have surfaced by now. Unless membership in the C&C Society did not include the newsletter, and not all members subscribed. I don't see how, but it is a possibility.
invincibleoverlord wrote:Paul, I do have a question maybe you could answer. It states that the only time one of these issues ever did come up for auction was #13 back in 97, and it was being auctioned by Rob Kuntz's himself. Was the issue #13 we won a second copy of his, or is it the same copy? Maybe it didn't sell or make reserve back then?
invincibleoverlord wrote:Does anyone have any issues of the C&C Society "Domesday Book" newsletters? The only info I could find after searching the net was leading me back to the Acaeum.
invincibleoverlord wrote:How rare do you guys think these issues are? The Acaeum states possibly 10 of each issue survive today. Any thoughts?
invincibleoverlord wrote:I'd love to have a complete run #'s 1 --13…But can you just imagine what that would take to put together ...
stormber wrote:It is one and the same. Phil Rhodes was going to handle it for Rob. He hyped it a bit in preperation. When Rob asked him how much he thought he'd get for it Phil told Rob "about fifty bucks". So Rob decided not to sell it.
Badmike wrote:invincibleoverlord wrote:So eighty members by issue #13…you'd think more would have surfaced by now. Unless membership in the C&C Society did not include the newsletter, and not all members subscribed. I don't see how, but it is a possibility.I have a feeling most of these were probably disposed of. We are an elite group in that most of us on the Acaeum keep everything gaming wise we get our hands on, just think of all the closet cleanings, spring cleanings, recycling drives, etc have taken place in the last 30 years where one of these bit the dust (so to speak). I'd be surprised if ten TOTAL issues from the entire run have survived. Newsletters, unlike hardbacks, game modules, magazines, etc have limited use and interest to anyone not directly involved in the industry, and frankly a lot of those people at certain points have shown a lack of interest themselves. I bet most of these bit the dust in the mid to late 70's when members were making space for lava lamps, dope bongs, disco records and moon boots...Mike B.
invincibleoverlord wrote:So eighty members by issue #13…you'd think more would have surfaced by now. Unless membership in the C&C Society did not include the newsletter, and not all members subscribed. I don't see how, but it is a possibility.
(per previous PM: feel free to respond ; )
"probably less than ten" Personally, I'd say it was pointless to speculate, but clearly there won't be many.
Heh. Could just as easily be $100, $1,000 or $10,000. Is only really possible to "put together" a run when there's a supply.
The reasons why the current auction went so high should be pretty clear to most people around here. (And the "prestige" factor of being the winner probably rated a good few hundred by itself).
Also, whether other issues have any comparable content is unknown: early ones might be "historical interest" only.
However, should a copy of #1 be presented to the ravening hordes (oh, about half-a-dozen of us, I reckon!), am sure that would go quite well, regardless.
stormber wrote: It is one and the same. Phil Rhodes was going to handle it for Rob. He hyped it a bit in preperation. When Rob asked him how much he thought he'd get for it Phil told Rob "about fifty bucks". So Rob decided not to sell it. harami wrote:*g*. $50 might've been a perfectly sensible guess in that context. Just as well Rob asked beforehand!
David (harami), that 1972 hex map is the earliest example of D&D play of any kind, ever! And it was the earliest surviving adventure run by Gary Gygax and played by Rob Kuntz and Ernie Gygax. I think you rightly placed your value on that one!
Yeah, this is one of the coolest things in the auction. Our bid was a little to low and we missed it. It's going to a good home though. It will be taken well care of.
that 1972 hex map is the earliest example of D&D play of any kind, ever!
invincibleoverlord wrote: BTW, David-Stormber Wrote:David (harami), that 1972 hex map is the earliest example of D&D play of any kind, ever! And it was the earliest surviving adventure run by Gary Gygax and played by Rob Kuntz and Ernie Gygax. I think you rightly placed your value on that one!I thought you won this auction, that's why I congratulated you. IO wrote:Yeah, this is one of the coolest things in the auction. Our bid was a little to low and we missed it. It's going to a good home though. It will be taken well care of. But after seeing your items over $50 posting and checking, the spivminder got it . That's just not right. I had a feeling that item had some real significance, and now we know after Paul's posting. that 1972 hex map is the earliest example of D&D play of any kind, ever!Hate to see an item like that fall into obscurity…wish you would have won it.
invincibleoverlord wrote:Clarkie,What do you think, An Acaeum member is behind spivminder? Or someone is putting together a museum? The screen name being created three years ago on Ebay and remaining inactive all that time is kind of puzzling though. Can someone tell me the point of being secretive in RPG collecting anyway? And I'm not trying to offend I'm just curious.