mbassoc2003 wrote:Do we have actual proof that Cougie has stolen stuff, not shipped stuff, of actually committed fraud?

I have no idea, but any debate between you & lawrenson means that his bouncing boobies icon will appear next to your bouncing pussy icon. Perfect, a complete set.

Another round of oddly emphatic absolute statements that can neither be proven right nor wrong but make you feel good Mike?  chuckle.

No, I am not going to help Lisa or anyone else steal money.  I am not even sure Lisa is stealing money, that's what is bothering you.  She is certainly not stealing from me.  You have found her guilty of current or contemplated theft based upon past actions.  

Past actions may suggest a propensity or likelihood to engage in similar behavior again.  But, they do not guarantee it.  The ebay/paypal system is cleaner than it used to be and if anyone is harmed it will be Paypal.  

By your logic, can we have a dozen speeding tickets sent to every Acaeum member who has received two or three in the past.  We can logically conclude prior offenders will speed again.  In most states, that will result in automatic drivers license suspension or worse.  Too bad for all of us... we are guilty as charged for crimes that haven't even happened yet?

I can't remedy the past.  I can't predict the future.  Neither can you.

And, I will not participate in punishing an individual or a business because some people (some of whom are competitors who routinely publish questionable moral judgments) on a website decide the owner or business is unethical.  

Let's start a list of businesses that have committed one serious transgression (or several) that the Acaeum can boycot to equally great effect!

Anyone for Walmart, Toyota, GM, Merril Lynch, BofA, Sears, Cracker Barrel, Comcast or Pfizer...  How about the insurance companies, pension plans, mutual fund managers and hospital administrators who hire actuaries to help determine whether to provide treatments or services based upon the potential cost of litigation and punitive damages rather than the contractually required health needs of their patients?

What makes Lisa so special?  She's not even a big fish.  

If the thread serves one genuine purpose it is to remind people that if their goods don't arrive then they need to file a claim within the 45 day time frame.  That advice is not specific to Lisa.  Perhaps a sticky that addressed how to go about protecting yourself from internet scams would be more useful than a multi year thread with hundreds of posts calling attention to one transgressor.  

Recommendations:
1.  Don't buy from people with tons of negative feedback
2.  If you succumb to the temptation, be sure to pay via paypal and with a credit card.
3.  If your goods don't arrive in a timely manner do not wait beyond the deadlines to file for a refund.
4.  Never send money via western union
5.  Don't commit scams and expect paypal and your credit card to support you when you have problems.  You destroyed your credibility by making yourself statistically obvious.
6.  If you suspect that you are receiving a fraudulent package, do not rip it open in anger.  Instead, arrange for a credible witness to help photo document the package being opened.  Note: your local post office manager is a damn credible witness if they are willing to assist.
7. etc. etc.

If the goal is to prevent members from online fraud, there have to be better ways to go about it than this long ranting thread about one ebay seller.

I love Juror #8!  In that time and place, he was a hero.  Several of the jurors were too prejudiced to serve and the defense attorney was bored and inept.  I hope they reached the right conclusion though, I just don't know.  

Pipswich wrote:I can't remedy the past.  I can't predict the future.  Neither can you.

Well, I CAN predict the future! Watch:

I predict you'll continue to make inane, ludicrous statements proving you're either a glutton for punishment or demented.  You'll be roundly dissed by all members here. You'll continue to be proud of yourself and your daring "contrary" opinons.  Everyone here will continue to tune to watch you spew crap.  You'll continue to be delibertly oblivious (cause it's cool to be the underdog).

Winner!

Mike B.

WOOT!

"I wonder if they are hanging it up"

I think the premise of this thread is that they never "hang it up"

Badmike wrote: Lisa's long lost cousin or whatever.....
 
Mike B.

or pip's sister...  

Pipswich wrote:By your logic, can we have a dozen speeding tickets sent to every Acaeum member who has received two or three in the past.

Again, you continue to apologise for an asshole who has stolen from hundreds of people. Not three or four! And you defend the thief against all common sense. This raises the question of whether or not you are related to this seller and their activities, and whether or not you are likely to partake in such things yourself. You have demonstrated that you have no problem trivialising a level of fraud rarely seen on this scale, and appear to condone such activities on grounds that morally you have no issue because it's PayPal's money that is stolen.

You are either pretending to be morally degenerate just to attract attention and a feeling of self-worth in the community, or you genuinely feel that Lisa/Jonb/ETC are worthy of support because they have found a way of stealing and surviving and proven it works over the years, and you're happy to support them because you don't lose out.

I don't tend to believe you are pretending anymore. I suspect you are a  supporter of crime so long as you don't lose out yourself. Does this only apply to fraud, or do you apply the same efhic right across the board?