Everybody listen up!

When you see this: Pipswich

Press this button in your brain: IGNORE THE TROLL

PS. Has Pipswich EVER contributed to a single piece of useful information concerning the collectability of D&D material? If not, can Foul please bring out the Troll-Banner Hammer +10 and use it on this Troll? Please!

JohnGaunt wrote:That site lifted its information from thw CIA factbook at CIA - The World Factbook

No one is calling you a liar.  Truth on the ground is different from the view from 20,000 feet.

Ah, the CIA, the standardbearers of truth......
You're right, John. I know better than to be offended when a troll calls me a liar. His opinion is worthless, as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
I am sure easternlisa will be back. eBay enables idiots like that. Give it about 5 months.

Pip - You have compleyely avoided explaining how you justify you personally choosing to help someone steal money from PayPal. Now that you know the intention is to steal, how do you, in full knowledge of the crime being committed, justify helping them perform the theft. Stop all the bullsh!t and explain your position. It's not hard. All it takes is balls and a backbone.

Kosh - Pip may be someone who just sits on the site and watches, but I wouldn't go so far as to label him a troll. Not in the same sence as some of the other muppets have been. He does at least for the most part offer up logical argument and put his points across with diplomacy. I think the problem in this case is that he has come to the conclusion based on the facts that he has been buying from a known felon, and he has expounded his intent to continue dealing with them, and he is having issues with explaining to himself, and his critics, why he now wishes to help them continue committing their crimes.

His position seems to be, "PayPal have the money to lose and I personally won't get hurt, so let's do it." But he won't elaborate.

Ash - Even if PayPal have a bank account still connected to a PayPal account that is open, the have no right under UK law to remove money that has been transfered out of a persons PayPal account, back into the PayPal account. I suspect the same is the case in the USA.

PayPal doesn't lose either. PayPal pass the debt on to sellers by increasing fees. Whilst Pip speaks about not supporting theft, he also admits to wanting to assist in crimes. I think he just does it to get attention on the boards.

mbassoc2003 wrote:...whilst in the UAE.

Pipswich wrote:Syria is an...

RaisedFromTheDead wrote: I've been there,...

SoulCatcher78 wrote:How did we go from a brief mention of the UAE to Syria?

Pip, are you thinking of the UAR, an old name for Syria? The United Arab Emirates is a Persian Gulf country, completely different.

Kosh Vorlontay wrote: can Foul please bring out the Troll-Banner Hammer +10 and use it on this Troll? Please!

Doubtful, since that only emerges for those who threaten the Acaeum itself.  Otherwise, Pip, I salute you for staying here under endless duress, all the while never losing your temper, always staying friendly & polite even while your words are taken deliberately out of context, your wife is compared to an orc, & a thousand other undeserved indignities. I was subjected to hazing when I joined the Acaeum, but only for a few days. I'm sure I would not have been strong enough to stay had it continued forever. The fact that you are is surely a testament to something.

I don't know how I feel about doing future business with Lisa, etc.  There are confusing ethics and personal animosities involved with some of you.  I am just collecting.  I expect we all know that there are people perfectly capable of creating extra accounts so that they can buy bargains from Lisa  

Has Lisa stolen anything in the last 2,000 transactions?  And, the account is not closed.  At this point, I think they are slow shippers, unresponsive and simply aggravating!  Predicting their future behavior is for psychics and I don't listen to psychics.

Hypothetically, if they skip out and run, leaving Paypal holding the bag... I don't think it effects our seller fees.  Fees on 2,000+ transaction will more than offset the loss.  Some of you argue that they should not be allowed to sell on ebay.  Perhaps so, but that will INCREASE your seller fees.  

A more interesting argument would be that Lisa's behavior chases customers away from Ebay entirely and that harms all of us.  Ebay, paypal, every seller and every customer.  And, getting Lisa off of ebay might increase your sales (and mine), since the crusade against Lisa results in some things selling so cheaply that the rest of us can't compete, or resist shopping with her.  

How long is this crusade to last?  Is the response here justified by the bad behavior experienced?  If they can now only steal from a "knowing and informed" business partner... ie. Ebay/Paypal that is a commerce risk that Ebay/Paypal are in a better position to assess than you or me.  

Oh, and don't worry about the banks.  The banks and credit cards get their money back from ebay and paypal when a withdrawal is fraudulent.  The laws protecting the banks and cc's are much stronger than any protecting ebay and paypal as an "interested party" to the fraudulent transaction.  So, even if Lisa were to close an account and skip out with a bunch of money from transactions... it will be ebay/paypal holding the empty bag... not the banks.   

So, I don't know what I will do in the future.  Sorry if that annoys you.  But, I won't be bullied into a crusade by angry people on an internet forum.    Especially one that 1. doesn't appear to be working 2. is as easy to circumvent as creating a new account  and 3. that may not appear to be in my best interests as a consumer.  Although, I am pretty annoyed at Lisa that I couldn't get an email until I left a negative.  And, I am self determinedly idiosyncratic about expecting decent service... so I doubt it will be anytime soon before I bid on her auctions.

Sorry if some of you were robbed.  But, oddly, weren't some of the people in this crusade "not robbed".   Which gets us back to why waste your time on this small issue?  There are real problems in the world worthy of attention.  

And, thanks for the kind words Sauromatian.  The forum is both interesting and useful.  When I tried to leave, I kept coming up anyway... so I feel it better to at least be able to express my side of the stories/rants.  I do try to do so politely.

Meanwhile, back to hunting ebay for bargains!  The quality of the collection is directly related to the time spent pursuing it!

mbassoc2003 wrote:So you are happy to help a provan theif steal, but you made it plain you wouldn't be willing to buy from me because I advocated charebacks against a thief? You're not willing to buy from someone who supports retaliation, but you will help people steal? You have a seriously flawed moral compass, Pip.
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but isnt this exactly like you buying from Cougarrinard?

Cheers,
malc

So do we turn the frustration with PayPal and eBay back upon Acaeum members through self-policing?
I wonder if the target of criticism in this thread needs to be clarified and re-directed back to the source of discontent: eBay and PayPal's decision-makers and policies?
If so, isn't it that the most control any of us can have there ultimately is whether to participate, and whith whom?
It seems to me there are always going to be Shadies/shades in every system who force me to get clear and act in accordance with my terms.  
I still am trying to figure out why eBay and PP permit some sellers to practice with a sub-99% feedback rating after a few hundred/thousand sales!
Thanks everyone for the details on the PP/eBay banking practices on this thread.
My two bits, at any rate.
Gary

Pipswich wrote:Syria is an interesting model to celebrate, lol.  It might be ok if you are male, native and maintain the dominant religious affiliation.  Otherwise, your daughters might well be sold a sex slaves.  Must be easy to ignore such obvious things as rape and slavery while queing up for the next public beheading.  Barbarism is Barbarism.

This is funny stuff.  

You guys are discussing JonB/Lisa et al and Pip now has you responding to a silly sermons on the sad, sinister, salacious sex slave syndicates of Syria.