afoolandhis$ wrote:(referring to tfm's post above):

Good point, but I guess the question is what is meant by "plain sheet front"?

Could that refer simply to a lack of an illustration (castle), lack of scrollwork, or lack of cover (folder)?

Maybe I'm reading more into it than I should, but "plain sheet front" reads differently to me than would "plain front sheet".

Do we have any more info from Pete on that point?

> "We didn't know anything about copyrights, registering work etc. So
> you'll see the 75-76 date on the cover sheet which is his date on the art
> he did for the cover sheet. That sheet got added with my store opening"

> "He remembered I had sent the 74 poly bag item to TSR with a white
> copy of Brads cover art as well as a black folder copy to see if there
> was any interest. The date that I opened the shop was Feb of 76 not
> 75."

"Plain sheet front" is still confusing and we cannot take Pete's comment re. the addition of the scrollwork sheet to the bundle as gospel, for that shop opening date (owing to other confusions).
viz. for the first quote above, the quote continues "That sheet got added with my store opening, which was Jan of 75" which clearly did not make sense.

The proposal of two earlier versions; one (possibly) with a white scrollwork cover and one with no "cover" (and somehow "different" text setting?) is merely the best way I can see of covering the underlying observations/comments to get any release to predate June 1976.
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There's certainly no evidence of a yellow scrollwork cover prior to June 1976 either from Pete's comments or the physical evidence unless you count the yellow-orange scrollwork cover which is only present in the black folder, afaik (and doesn't have the copyright/distribution details on the back).

bombadil wrote:The black folder PoVQ that I just sold to a member here came from Rick Bauer in a poly-bag.  It appears to be an old bag, and the folder fits nicely in it.  I was wondering, does anyone have a foldered PoVQ that came with a bag, or does anyone know whether that printing was ever bagged?

Yes, it was. Two posts on first page of this thread.

That one was originally purchased via mail order, so it's difficult to tell the source.
(Oversized, heavy duty) bag is priced twice (partial label and biro) and the latter isn't indented into the folder, so it could hypothetically have been priced/bagged by WW then labelled at TSR. Insufficient evidence to prove that, though.

The Rick Bauer copy came from an auction source (and still guessing it was that $500 GenCon one) and given that the folder has had quite a bit of wear, that bag may have been added later, rather than having been carefully put aside.
Again, more guesswork than anything sure.

02c, only, of course ^^

One of mine has a white intro page

Thanks, Paul.

That makes two then, counting mine.  

Great, thanks for the link, David, and nice to see you.  

I hadn't noticed that one at ToT for some reason...

bombadil wrote:This is what I was getting at, by the way, whether the white sheet as opposed to yellow in the folder printing would be indicative of 1st - 1st vs. 1st - 2nd.

If I recall, the yellow scrollwork sheet is not "opposed to" but rather "in addition to", per Kynan's "except that it also comes with a yellow cover page" and my "May or may not have a separate scrollwork title sheet (yellow-orange, not bright yellow?)"/"Lack of scrollwork title sheet in some copies..." run-through some of the possible options/explanations on the previous page.

If no-one else gets there first to check...
(Or, as Al would've said "darn, do I have to go and open it up again....?" &£%%@* ).

d.

faro wrote:
If no-one else gets there first to check...
(Or, as Al would've said "darn, do I have to go and open it up again....?" &£%%@* ).

d.

heheh yes he sure would but then i sold mine so dont have this particular problem no more!!! WOOHOO!!

Al

bombadil wrote:
Jeff, is that the copy I sold you?  If so, what's the page count?  Don't bother taking it out of the baggy, but I was just curious in case you remembered or had it written down.

Yes that is the one

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