a2jeff wrote:The copyright date is on the back side of the cover, just as stated in the Acaeum listing and just as it appears in the picture posted:acaeum.com/DDIndexes/ModPages/ModScans/ ... MK1v1.html
killjoy32 wrote:remember what pete said? something along the lines of:they printed a load of copies. did the yellow ziplock out of the trunk of the car and they didnt sell well, so they went back and did the same but in the folder version and then they started to sell well.
Pete Kerestan wrote:The product itself was first put out in a plastic bag with just a plain sheet front. They didn't sell to the hobby shops in LA at all well. I took the next step and had a black cover made up by my wife's cousin who had a print shop. This did some sales. I then got a press and ran the sheets again putting together a poly bag and adding a cover sheet that Brad did for me
killjoy32 wrote:yup dont you just hate having to go look i am like cringing each time i have to now.
killjoy32 wrote:why would pete have a house copy of one of the yellow ziploc's if it wasnt a 1st? surely you would keep one of your 1st copies for that? i know i would if i was in the same situation....
tfm wrote:The only emergent truth here is that either WW, TSR, or Zocchi made the castle cover yellow. The whole affair does seem to stink.
harami2000 wrote:tfm wrote:The only emergent truth here is that either WW, TSR, or Zocchi made the castle cover yellow. The whole affair does seem to stink.That's the truth Pete definitely got the raw end of the deal, regardless of all this printing technicality stuff.
killjoy32 wrote:so its definately established that the LZ version is AFTER the yellow ziploc and the black folder?
harami2000 wrote:Yellow Palace (current 3rd) already seemed that way from other cumulative evidence ($5 price tag, single tone "printing", not mentioned in earlier reviews, etc.).Would be good to know whether LZs are a subset of those alone, or whether there may be confirmable copies of earlier "prints" with a LZ label stuck over the TSR distribution text.
The only evidence that 1a exists is the mention of it by PK and possibly the coverscan on Afterglo (although I suspect the Afterglo cover scan is a ringer).
Pete Kerestan wrote:I looked at the pictures you linked to and yes the black cover and yellow cover were among thefirst efforts back in 1975 but I don't remember ever doing a spiral bound for sale. My wife's cousin had a print shop and we did the first ones on his press then I drove them to different hobby shops and sold them from the trunk of my car. A year later I picked up a small press and started doing all the printing in my game shop in San Louis Obispio CA. Brad (Morno) came up from LA and I set him up with a place to live and he came down to the shop as well as he worked on art for the products.
Pete Kerestan wrote:I have been looking over stuff from back then and found I made a mistake on my dates. I got out of the service Feb of 76, for some reason I kept thinking it was 75, but my 214 shows 76.
mbassoc2003 wrote:So no pre-pub at all? Or no 1a? PK was alking about selling them through his shop prior to the TSR deal (and presumably prior to the black folder).Where does that leave the print sequence?