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bclarkie
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:04 am

Okay, please stop talking about all these rare items, it is making me crazy.

Every item being discussed about being traded is on my now short wish list.

:lol:

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:07 am

Adam Shultz wrote:
harami2000 wrote:Where did you obtain that DG from? Hoping it can be dated far enough back to give it the thumbs up (and addition to the site's printing list).

I bought it off of ebay. It is represented in the auction history page as the $400 and change circa 2000.

I should have a copy of that auction somewhere on my HDD. Sounds like the one I thought was a high price at the time, phps!
(You could've mentioned it was that copy on the previous page

Adam Shultz wrote:
harami2000 wrote:Does that mean the previous "OK. Hows about Black Folder PotVQ (NM) + 1st DG + Vanquished Foe = Dragon11 ?" offer has just vanished from the table?

I wouldn't say it is off of the table just yet. I would like to confirm a bit more before unloading. The condition of the PotVQ is simply too good to let go in this deal.

Heh. So that was a "no", immediately followed by a "yes" in response to my question, Adam?

(I think my avvy would be biting his tail just now! )

harami2000 wrote:Yep, like a gold ink. It looks exactly like it looks on the Acaeum's third print.

3rd? Do you mean "black and gold", then, as opposed to "gold, only" (monochromatic, like the current 2nd print)?
I've got a 3rd print kicking around here somewhere and I certainly don't remember it shining...

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:12 am

bclarkie wrote:Okay, please stop talking about all these rare items, it is making me crazy. Every item being discussed about being traded is on my now short wish list.

Is that excluding the Dragon #11 cover art, Brian, since there's only one of those around?

*watches out for sneak-attack, just in case*

k... sry ^^

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:18 am

harami2000 wrote:
Adam Shultz wrote:I wouldn't say it is off of the table just yet. I would like to confirm a bit more before unloading. The condition of the PotVQ is simply too good to let go in this deal.

Heh. So that was a "no", immediately followed by a "yes" in response to my question, Adam?

(I think my avvy would be biting his tail just now! )

You dealing with someone who is seasoned from trading with Mike Kuo for a couple of years. Lots of double talk and frustration culminating in a spectacular fit of aggression to the post office where you send and pick up what the gem that you are really glad you hung in there for.

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:52 am

afoolandhis$ wrote:Was going to post about the intro page on my foldered version, but went back in this thread and realized I had already done so.

Heya, Mike.
I was kinda hoping that would be a bit of a breakthrough there (something that wouldn't have made sense until Pete's recent comments), but no luck.... well, nothing certain, anyhow

afoolandhis$ wrote:To recap, the intro page (on the left, below) has no scrollwork, and is white. The copyright page is also white, and is glued into the back of the folder.

OK. I went and risked a heart attack by digging my black folder out of it's original poly bag... All the sheets are still mint, thankfully: nothing crunched in the spine fold!

Unfortunately, I have one of these and the yellow scrollwork cover sheet.

Given the double-checked chronology from Pete it would have been expected that this cover sheet dated back to the start of the print run (75/76 per the cover date and Pete's declaration that the shop copy was pulled and bagged in Feb 76).
Also, your copy already had one missing map page which was replaced by a tri-folded copy. (Was that a TSR photocopy or just "low on ink"? Please remind me!).
...
However, <tfm>'s copy is also missing that cover sheet; Palace of the Vampire Queen print sequence â€¢ Page 11 â€¢ Collecting General â€¢ The Acaeum
(Awaiting confirmation that's the cover sheet being referred to, not the copyright/distribution sheet, given I was primarily talking about the latter in the previous post).

Three obvious options would be that the yellow scrollwork cover sheet was later (if so, why the 75/76 date or presence in a stated-bagged-Feb 76 copy) or else they just ran out of copies (temporarily, otherwise it wouldn't be seen in all(?) the later folderless copies?), or it was somehow "lost" at a later date (co-incidence given two copies like this now, if tfm confirms).
Any options I'm missing?

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:54 am

Adam Shultz wrote:
harami2000 wrote:Heh. So that was a "no", immediately followed by a "yes" in response to my question, Adam?
(I think my avvy would be biting his tail just now! )

You dealing with someone who is seasoned from trading with Mike Kuo for a couple of years. Lots of double talk and frustration culminating in a spectacular fit of aggression to the post office where you send and pick up what the gem that you are really glad you hung in there for.

*tries to appear reassured* k, Adam... ^^

Past experience hasn't quite worked that way, here

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:07 am

harami2000 wrote:Heya, Mike.
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Also, your copy already had one missing map page which was replaced by a tri-folded copy. (Was that a TSR photocopy or just "low on ink"? Please remind me!).

David,
Are you confusing my copy with I/O's? I believe my foldered PoVQ - which I won from Rick Bauer - is complete.

I tend to agree with the hypothesis that the yellow cover sheet was added later.

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:21 am

a2jeff wrote:I'll be posting a separate thread on The Character Archaic and my findings on this particular copy, in addition to notarized comments from Pete soon. If anyone has a printing of CA, please chime in so we can do some comparisions when the time comes.

I have a copy of CA, please refer to the following for further details:
http://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=35864#35864
I would be most interested in hearing about possible differences between your version and mine.

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:23 am

afoolandhis$ wrote:
harami2000 wrote:Heya, Mike.
...
Also, your copy already had one missing map page which was replaced by a tri-folded copy. (Was that a TSR photocopy or just "low on ink"? Please remind me!).

David,
Are you confusing my copy with I/O's? I believe my foldered PoVQ - which I won from Rick Bauer - is complete.

No, I'm just confusing you with Mike <IO>... :oops:

*edits post*. Sorry, Stephen!

Out of interest, did Rick confirm that this was the $500 GenCon copy from a year or two back?

afoolandhis$ wrote:I tend to agree with the hypothesis that the yellow cover sheet was added later.

It goes against the grain of the 75/76 date and the "Feb 76" bagged date (unless Pete was actually correct in remembering he added the cover sheet later, in which case it would've been much later in 1976 that he added that).

Hey, ho! If we could discard those earlier dates from Pete, it does appeal in that a (genuinely as-issued) missing "cover"/scrollwork sheet in some black folders (which partially duplicates the "contents" section of the white sheet, anyhow) would tally with the black folder being "earlier".
But it is still "stuck" at June 1976 given that pasted copyright sheet (in all known copies?).

Hrrrr.....

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:36 am

harami2000 wrote:No, I'm just confusing you with Mike <IO>...
*edits post*. Sorry, Stephen!

No problem; my mom almost did name me Mike...

harami2000 wrote:Out of interest, did Rick confirm that this was the $500 GenCon copy from a year or two back?

Nope. I asked him twice, but never got an answer. He was stationed in Bahrain, if I recall correctly, so might be a bit busy.

harami2000 wrote: Hey, ho! If we could discard those earlier dates from Pete, it does appeal in that a (genuinely as-issued) missing "cover"/scrollwork sheet in some black folders (which partially duplicates the "contents" section of the white sheet, anyhow) would tally with the black folder being "earlier".
But it is still "stuck" at June 1976 given that pasted copyright sheet (in all known copies?).

Hrrrr.....

Didn't someone post here within the past half-year or so about a foldered version lacking the glued-in copyright page? Or am I just recalling one of my own wishful thoughts?

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:53 am

afoolandhis$ wrote:
harami2000 wrote:Out of interest, did Rick confirm that this was the $500 GenCon copy from a year or two back?

Nope. I asked him twice, but never got an answer. He was stationed in Bahrain, if I recall correctly, so might be a bit busy.

Pity. Thanks for trying to check, anyhow.

afoolandhis$ wrote:
harami2000 wrote:But it is still "stuck" at June 1976 given that pasted copyright sheet (in all known copies?).

Didn't someone post here within the past half-year or so about a foldered version lacking the glued-in copyright page? Or am I just recalling one of my own wishful thoughts?

Maybe the same wishful thinking that I had, prior to changing my text to "in all known copies?"?
Was it not that the copyright sheet had become detached in one black folder owing to the rubber gum being pretty weak, or something like that?

=
It would be good to pin all this down, but is getting back into "discard x and become an earlier release" territory, possibly barring the stated-1974 release.
(Pete did do a good job of trashing my hopes that single/double sided, paper crimps, other minor printing variations, etc. might be able to be used with regards print runs. His statement that they had all sorts of fun-and-games whilst printing pretty much put paid to any of that. I copied you in on his email re. those...).

Well, at least we know the black folder pre-dates May/June 1976, since he sent one to TSR. (As well as a white copy of Brad/Morno's scrollwork cover sheet... hmmm....).

[edited to translate long paragraph into English... ]

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:57 am

heheh this made me smile:

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:GK_6 ... n%22&hl=en

and this made me laugh a LOT!

Error 404 - Not found

Are we nearly there yet?

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:47 am

Pretty amusing.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:33 am

and this made me laugh a LOT!

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ROTFL

I wonder how much he'll mark up the extravagent prices he's wanting to purchase them for in order to re-sell ? :lol:

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:42 am

AdderMcOne wrote:
and this made me laugh a LOT!

Error 404 - Not found

ROTFL

I wonder how much he'll mark up the extravagent prices he's wanting to purchase them for in order to re-sell ?

Easy guys, Mcduff actually posts here from time to time. He is one of the "older"(not agewise, but has been a member from back in the early days) members of the forum, but he hasn't been around for awhile. He is actually a decent guy and to be honest, I have a sneaking suspicion that he has probably not updated his site in quite some time. FWIW, he is not a reseller.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:45 am

AdderMcOne wrote:
and this made me laugh a LOT!

Error 404 - Not found

ROTFL

I wonder how much he'll mark up the extravagent prices he's wanting to purchase them for in order to re-sell ?

well i tell ya, if you can get em for that much, i will have 10, no, 15 of everything on the list

Are we nearly there yet?

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:03 am

My black folder version of POTVQ has the white cover sheet, no yellow sheet, and the TSR distribution sheet (detached, but present).

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:05 pm

Actually, considering that McDuff has Goodman Games' Haunted Lighthouse on his list, I think it is a strong bet that the website has indeed been updated. Whether or not it has, even 5 years ago those were pretty weak prices.

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