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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:51 pm

It should have been obvious some time ago that the copy on Bock's page is homemade. There are about 50,000 factors that point to this, but to mention a few:

1. Copies would not have been distributed to the public or to retailers with "Palace of the Vampire Queen" TYPEWRITTEN on the cover, and nothing else. It looks homemade because it IS.

2. No printing company would have sold spiraled versions, then expensive black folders, then booklets. Makes zero sense.

3. If as many of the "spiraled versions" were printed as, say, the black folders, there would quite obviously be more than one confirmed copy in existence.

So with the obvious laid to rest, it is possible it was a preprint. We probably will never know, since there is currently no one qualified to shed light on it. The black folder was and remains the first print.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:33 pm

So can somebody recap for me. What printing is up on Ebay now?

THanks

J

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:36 pm

Blackmoor wrote:So can somebody recap for me. What printing is up on Ebay now?

THanks

J

well if we are now going by what we have so far....i think its now a 2nd? or is it a joint 1st cos its come from the same print run..... i dunno i am lost now

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:43 pm

killjoy32 wrote:
Blackmoor wrote:So can somebody recap for me. What printing is up on Ebay now?

THanks

J

well if we are now going by what we have so far....i think its now a 2nd? or is it a joint 1st cos its come from the same print run..... i dunno i am lost now

Al

Is it complete? It want an original, what's it go for usually? Is the acaeum prices and printing information accurate?

Thanks
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:45 pm

Blackmoor wrote:So can somebody recap for me. What printing is up on Ebay now?

THanks

J

It is a fake. It is a cheap rip off, Stay away, you dont want to go anywhere near it.

:twisted: :twisted:

Ok, ok, I know that isn't going to work.

Seriously though and I am defintely not 100%, (I am sure that David will be by and correct me if I am wrong), but I think that this is really a 3rd printing without the cover page. Again though, I am not 100% sure.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:48 pm

bclarkie wrote:
Blackmoor wrote:So can somebody recap for me. What printing is up on Ebay now?

THanks

J

It is a fake. It is a cheap rip off, Stay away, you dont want to go anywhere near it.

Ok, ok, I know that isn't going to work. Seriously though and I am defintely not 100%, (I am sure that David will be by and correct me if I am wrong), but I think that this is really a 3rd printing without the cover page. Again though, I am not 100% sure.

No cover page!! It is incomplete then? Notice only Acaeum members bidding on it!

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:02 pm

Blackmoor wrote:
bclarkie wrote:

It is a fake. It is a cheap rip off, Stay away, you dont want to go anywhere near it.

Ok, ok, I know that isn't going to work. Seriously though and I am defintely not 100%, (I am sure that David will be by and correct me if I am wrong), but I think that this is really a 3rd printing without the cover page. Again though, I am not 100% sure.

No cover page!! It is incomplete then? Notice only Acaeum members bidding on it!

J

Well, if it is a 3rd print like I think it is then technically, it is incomplete, but only for the stand point that the page missing is the yellow cover page with only the artwork on it and no loss of anything else(text or maps).

Once again though, I would wait until David, Adam Schultz, I/O, or TFM, roll by, as they have had actually email correspondance back and forth with Pete, where I have not. I am just basing my opinion on what has been posted here so far.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:22 pm

Blackmoor wrote:Is it complete? It want an original, what's it go for usually? Is the acaeum prices and printing information accurate?

Thanks
J

I see... Bid first, ask questions later?

The Acaeum printing information is at least partly inaccurate.

Well, that copy should be "missing" at least one page

Heh. Basically whatever you want to count as "complete"... If I throw away the black folder and the distribution/copyright page from my copy, it should "match" the one up for sale.

btw. And still no-one has stated whether "House Copy" is written on the shrink (making only an impression on the cover page?), or else on the cover page itself?

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Don't worry. Giorgio will be around later.
I'm pretty sure he was the highest bidder last time who wasn't (afaik) fussed about the printing.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:25 pm

harami2000 wrote:
Blackmoor wrote:Is it complete? It want an original, what's it go for usually? Is the acaeum prices and printing information accurate?

Thanks
J

I see... Bid first, ask questions later?
The Acaeum printing information is at least partly inaccurate.

Well, that copy should be "missing" at least one page
Heh. Basically whatever you want to count as "complete"... If I throw away the black folder and the distribution/copyright page from my copy, it should "match" the one up for sale.

btw. And still no-one has stated whether "House Copy" is written on the shrink (making only an impression on the cover page?), or else on the cover page itself?

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Don't worry. Giorgio will be around later.
I'm pretty sure he was the highest bidder last time who wasn't (afaik) fussed about the printing.

So D, are you saying that this is in fact a first printing w/o the Black Folder then?

I am not really worried about my current high bid, as I can guarantee that I will not win with what it is currently whether it is 1st or 3rd printing.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:33 pm

bclarkie wrote:So D, are you saying that this is in fact a first printing w/o the Black Folder then?

And what were you bidding on, Brian?

Like I said, no folder, plus no copyright/distribution sheet. And, as far as is understood, a "second printing" (like all other 1976 copies).

bclarkie wrote:I am not really worried about my current high bid, as I can guarantee that I will not win with what it is currently whether it is 1st or 3rd printing.

Thanks...

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:41 pm

harami2000 wrote:
bclarkie wrote:So D, are you saying that this is in fact a first printing w/o the Black Folder then?

And what were you bidding on, Brian?

Like I said, no folder, plus no copyright/distribution sheet. And, as far as is understood, a "second printing" (like all other 1976 copies).

I put my bid in under the assumption that it was a third printing, and truthfully it is really a token bid at that. Considering, that the MI from Pete went for what 2 times my snipe was, I am not holding any false hope with my current high bid regardless of the printing. :wink:

harami2000 wrote:Thanks...

Am I sensing a bit of sarcasm there.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:49 pm

Things we do know:

He has stated it is a third in his correspondence with I/O (see page 10).
It was a copy kept around the shop/storage that was designated not for sale or just went unsold originally. (House copy)
He never states anywhere it is some initial, early, extraordinary version of what has been floating around.

Things we don't know:

Is the writing on the cover page? (but does it matter much from the publisher/author?)
Is it missing pages? (I am betting he doesn't really remember and I could understand if folks are leary about the value if he isn't able to follow through on researching it here.)

I wouldn't look for this particular copy to unleash the secrets of the PotVQ. It appears to be a great copy of this module directly from the publisher. Perhaps it isn't worth $1,500+ or perhaps it is. His Character Archaic fetched nearly double it's commonly understood value on the basis of origin alone so it wouldn't seem unlikely for it to happen again in spite of all the confusion.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:49 pm

bclarkie wrote:Considering, that the MI from Pete went for what 2 times my snipe was, I am not holding any false hope with my current high bid regardless of the printing.

Hey, you were third at $223 and Giorgio barely scraped $150.
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Neither of you asked about the cardstock, I presume?

bclarkie wrote:
harami2000 wrote:Thanks...

Am I sensing a bit of sarcasm there.

Just heavy irony

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:00 pm

harami2000 wrote:
bclarkie wrote:Considering, that the MI from Pete went for what 2 times my snipe was, I am not holding any false hope with my current high bid regardless of the printing.

Hey, you were third at $223 and Giorgio barely scraped $150.
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Neither of you asked about the cardstock, I presume?

I realize it is a really sweet copy, but to answer your question, no I did not ask him about it. Is there something special about this particular copy that I was not aware of other than the facts that I am assuming that it was an uncirculated copy and that it was sold directly by the original author?

harami2000 wrote:
bclarkie wrote:
Am I sensing a bit of sarcasm there.

Just heavy irony

Just wondering.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:01 pm

Adam Shultz wrote:Things we do know:
He has stated it is a third in his correspondence with I/O (see page 10).
It was a copy kept around the shop/storage that was designated not for sale or just went unsold originally. (House copy)
He never states anywhere it is some initial, early, extraordinary version of what has been floating around.

Sorry; from discussions with Pete I'll disagree with all three of those comments. All points already covered.

Adam Shultz wrote:Things we don't know:

Is the writing on the cover page? (but does it matter much from the publisher/author?)
Is it missing pages? (I am betting he doesn't really remember and I could understand if folks are leary about the value if he isn't able to follow through on researching it here.)

And given what I was told, it should be missing the copyright/distribution page.

Adam Shultz wrote:I wouldn't look for this particular copy to unleash the secrets of the PotVQ.

Alas, possibly only one or two minor points to be gleaned

It is however not a photocopy(!). And without the "protection" that the folder provides (albeit that can easily be stuffed with second-hand photocopies), that is a definite plus.

Adam Shultz wrote:It appears to be a great copy of this module directly from the publisher. Perhaps it isn't worth $1,500+ or perhaps it is. His Character Archaic fetched nearly double it's commonly understood value on the basis of origin alone so it wouldn't seem unlikely for it to happen again in spite of all the confusion.

Jeff understands Pete's Character Archaic to have been a "pre-pub".
Combined with the minty condition on what is often found only as an incomplete item, a premium was certainly to be expected.
And Jeff does not bid lightly!

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:10 pm

harami2000 wrote:
Adam Shultz wrote:Things we do know:
He has stated it is a third in his correspondence with I/O (see page 10).
It was a copy kept around the shop/storage that was designated not for sale or just went unsold originally. (House copy)
He never states anywhere it is some initial, early, extraordinary version of what has been floating around.

Sorry; from discussions with Pete I'll disagree with all three of those comments. All points already covered.

I really hate to throw this monkey wrench into the works, but I was pretty sure that he did tell Mike<I/O> that it was in fact a 3rd printing, or at least alluded to it:

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However, here is the money wrench that I don't want to throw in, but it might be worth consideration. Is it possible that Pete is aware of a seperate printing(aka T-3rd printing :roll:

) that we have not uncovered as of yet, and the possibly that 3rd printing as we know it is actually a 4th printing? With that in mind that would make the 4th & 5th printing foldered copies now 5th & 6th printings repectively?

harami2000 wrote:And Jeff does not bid lightly!

Truer words have never been spoken. :wink:

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:11 pm

Sorry; from discussions with Pete I'll disagree with all three of those comments. All points already covered.

Really? I just combed back through the end part of this thread and didnae find these discussed points. From your discussion with Pete you have concluded it is a special edition and not an unused copy? And he contradicts what he wrote IO in his quoted response earlier?

I am just glad I already have the fully vested black cover version.....whatever damn printing it is. So I shalln't be throwing any money at this regardless. :lol:

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:18 pm

Jeff understands Pete's Character Archaic to have been a "pre-pub".

I missed this as well. There was nothing in the auction description to suggest this. I was the second highest bidder and would have gladly paid for it in its condition from the publisher on those merits alone.

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