invincibleoverlord wrote:Take a look at the credits of the POTVQ[ Image ]That's it I'm done for the day
invincibleoverlord wrote:No it did not, yours did? Wow it must be a large one.
mbassoc2003 wrote:My copy does not have the light grey grid as clearly and evenly printed as your photo. It is faint and it breaks up in areas, and has areas where it is dark.Is yours the same as the photo above, David?
mbassoc2003 wrote:I don't think the 1st print ziplock copies are press printed. I think they are Xerox printed.
invincibleoverlord wrote:I suspect you'll find the third prints are the same and that either IO has a master, or the black foldered version is a higher quality print (therefore a separate print run).
afoolandhis$ wrote:That's what mine says...so to return to my earlier question: does the text "1st Printing June 1976" appear on all of the early versions?
Deadlord36 wrote:Mine says 1st printing, and is printed single-sided, no mention of Wee Warriors. My booklet version lists no printing number
Mike's came from Tadashi. (Did you ever ask whether it was a review or a purchased copy?).
The tri-folded (replacement/missed) page kinda hints at various possibilities, but nothing definitive.
Deadlord36 wrote:Mine says 1st printing, and is printed single-sided, no mention of Wee Warriors.
a2jeff wrote:I will pull out my black folder version and provide some additional details for comparison. I can tell you mine is all single sided pages, like Frank's. I'll comment on the copyright wording and the maps/lines this evening, and maybe even can post some pictures (if I can figure out how!!) :oops:
invincibleoverlord wrote: Art Work by Brad Schenck -- Where? The only art in the thing except the cover credited to Judy is the repeated border on the 8.5" X 11" pages and its signed Morno. The same can be said about the Character Archaic cover art and interior art of Magic-Users, Fighters, etc. all signed Morno, but art work again credited to Brad Schenck? Could Morno be Brad, sort of a tag name? BTW once you get to the Dwarven Glory 2nd print Art Work is credited to Morno. Puzzling!
invincibleoverlord wrote:There is one Dark Side to this discovery. The vulnerability to forgery; anyone with a Black-Folder version and access to an older copier could easily reproduce a bagged version. You're only saving grace would be if you had an Acaeum quoted 3rd and the cover is truly printed. If you have a Xeroxed version now I'd bet it's real, but if the Acaeum PotVQ printing-order and description gets amended, I'd be leery in the future. There definitely going to be vulnerable to forgery. And a hot ticket item like the First Module printed, as our collecting field grows, so will the demand for this landmark D&D collectable. Well that's it please throw some feedback at this, I'd love to hear some opinions.
invincibleoverlord wrote: So what I'm driving at is TSR Xeroxed them. ..They must have run out of the Black-Folder version, and just ran some off. Demand most likely was higher than expected, and making copies was just an easy solution. Also think about it; why would Pete and Judy Xerox them? Since the bagged version is copied from a Black-Folder printed page, why would you Xerox them and ship the across the country when TSR could just copy them in Lake Geneva from a house copy the place they were being distributed out of. And since there was no way to copy the folder they just stuck it in a bag like the Tsoj. Bagging was a standard TSR method of housing some of it's games around this era.
Just a quick observation on this. Brad Schenck could have done the cartography for the module. DCS III was a TSR artist, but if you look at several modules he did work on, he only did the cartography work. Just a thought.
invincibleoverlord wrote:What Forum does Gary Gygax post too?
invincibleoverlord wrote:bclarkie wrote:Just a quick observation on this. Brad Schenck could have done the cartography for the module. DCS III was a TSR artist, but if you look at several modules he did work on, he only did the cartography work. Just a thought. go up a few posts to the one with the scanned map page by mbassoc2003 *look* at the Morno 75-76, then look up at rooms "7" and "53" the 7 and the 5 are almost identical, and the map has a similar hatch-work to the border art. I'd bet that the border art and the architectural lines of the maze were drawn at the same time and the grid was a secondary thought, hence it not lining up with those lines. What Forum does Gary Gygax post too?
Fourth Printing. Copyrighted in 1977, this book comes as standard size paper with printing on one side only, and stapled together with the envelope. Thus, to really use the book, you have to take it apart. The cover is a yellowish cardboard paper similar to the one used in the Collector's edition reprint of the D&D rules, and comes with artwork by Morno (the guy who made the cover of Dragon #6 - his real name is Brad Schenk). The monochrome painting depicts the Vampire Queen with two further undead critters at her side. Printing color is a brownish hue. Interior artwork is by Morno, too, and copyrighted 1975-76. You will also find mention of Wee Warriors other releases in the book itself. I may mention that this release is nothing else than editions one, two, or three diminished to half printing size and bound in a half-size book.
From around 1976 to the late 1980's I divided my time between commercial art, on the one hand, and illustrative but uncommercial paintings and drawings, on the other. These pictures were usually executed in watercolor or ink. Some of the commercial work was for small press magazines (Evermist, Wyrd), comix (Uncle Jam), and others.