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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:09 am 
 

I recently was fortunate to acquire a second copy of Daystar West's Nightventures Rahasia, by the Hickmans.


Observation 1
When the two copies were next to each other, I immediately noticed that the two copies were diferent sizes!  Copy 1 checks in at 8.5 x 10 3/4 while Copy 2 measures 8.5 x 11.   :?:

Aside from this size difference, the copies appeared to be identical, with the trademark blue textured covers, black binding tape and staples underneath.

This size difference of course sent my mind spinning in all sorts of directions.  Did I have a forged copy, did I have one that was a printing anomaly?, did I have two different printings, what's up with the slightly shorter copy?, etc.  

Observation 2
Upon closer inspection, I identified another perhaps more significant difference between the two copies.  On the second page, where the dedication is, at the bottom Copy 1 reads:

RAHASIA
Copyright May 1979 by Daystar West Media Productions
P.O. Box 977
Orem, Utah 84057
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

and Copy 2 reads:

RAHASIA
Copyright May 1979 by Daystar West Media Productions


ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

8O  :?:

This is the only observed content difference between the two copies within the text of the adventure.  After consulting with Frank and Scott on this, I sent emails to Kynan Connor and Tracy Hickman.

Kynan is listed on the Rahasia Acaeum information page as providing some initial details on this adventure.  Kynan verified his copy matches my Copy 2.

Tracy is reachable at The Bronze Canticles Village Forums and I received the following email from Tracy Hickman on his thoughts on this:

From: trhickman
To: a2jeff
Subject: Re:Daystar West Nightventures Rahasia Research
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It has, indeed, been a while since we worked on those original adventures. I have a copy of them here.
As to your questions, there were several small printings of Rahasia. We were quite poor at the time and could only afford small print runs -- just enough to fill the orders when they came in.

The change in the copyright, no doubt, had to do with the P.O. Box we had in Orem for a short time. We set it up for our business but found that for our size it was more inconvenience than help. So we closed the PO Box and took the address off the copyright. That we failed to put a better address on afterward probably is indicative of our moving around quite a bit before finally making the journey east to Wisconsin and TSR.


Observation 3
A side note, both my copies and Kynan's copy have double sided printing on pages 7/8, 9/10, 11/12, 15/16 and 32/33.  This is different than what is posted on the Acaeum information page so this is another point of clarification/comparison.


From here it seems logical to expand the investigation to fellow Acaeum colleagues that might have a copy of Rahasia and see if the above characteristics are present in other copies.  I'd also welcome your thoughts and opinions on this exciting discovery!  I haven't done any research like this before on my rares but needless to say, it is exciting!   :P

  


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:12 am 
 

...trick is finding enough copies of such "rares" to be able to make those kinda "discoveries" ;)

Nice one! :D


And good "follow up" there, too. :)

"several small printings of Rahasia". Heh...

  


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:27 am 
 

a2jeff wrote:I recently was fortunate to acquire a second copy of Daystar West's Nightventures Rahasia, by the Hickmans.


A second copy? 8O I am just wonderng where you mave have bought that?  I hope it wasn't a recent fun find on EBay. :wink:


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:34 am 
 

The second copy was Frank's he sold me on ebay a month or two back.  My first was bought on ebay last year from blackandred/Jason Lada.   :)

  


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:35 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:A second copy? 8O I am just wonderng where you mave have bought that? I hope it wasn't a recent fun find on EBay. :wink:

*g*. eBay ain't the be-all, and end-all.

Don't know 'bout Jeff, but I've picked up the majority of my recent "rares" off-eBay; from other online sources and various contacts.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:36 am 
 

Jeff is most likely the sole owner of both printings. That rocks!


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:51 am 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Jeff is most likely the sole owner of both printings. That rocks!

...or more than two printings?
(although possibly not as readily distinguishable, if there are no printer imprints?)

Definitely adds to the flavor, that! :D

  


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:44 pm 
 

Excellent find Jeff, and nice work on the research :) . I don't have our copy in front of me and curiosity is killing me. I'll check later when I get over to the Hall. So as to your inquiry to Tracy a "True", "First" or "Early Printing" would have the P.O. Box address and subsequent prints would not. Do you guys feel this increases the value of the PO Box version and devalues one without? Opinions?

I'll also check our copy of Pharaoh and see if the P.O. Box address is there. Or not :roll: :?:


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:54 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:Do you guys feel this increases the value of the PO Box version and devalues one without? Opinions?

I'll also check our copy of Pharaoh and see if the P.O. Box address is there. Or not :roll: :?:

As with the PoVQ 1st Print with/without folder, I doubt that the P.O.Box address will have much effect on the value of the product. The perceived rarity is the same, and the demand remains high for them. Of course, if you have one with the P.O.Box address you could expoit the fact when listing it, but I doubt the majority of bidders would care. I'd just be happy to get my hands on one.


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:01 pm 
 

Oh no, please don't wake up the Alpha/Beta/Gamma printings demon. The DM's Guide is a wreck as it is. I'm sure there were only 2 different copies, unless Hickman decided to piss on the last 50 copies to create yet another printing variation.
So, how does it feel to be unique, Jeff?


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:44 pm 
 

I'm just glad to have noticed!!  I'm sure I wouldn't have compared each copy if the two copies were not different sizes...that's what got me started.

Yes, from Tracy's comments I think the printing with the P.O. would be the earlier printing.

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I'll also check our copy of Pharaoh and see if the P.O. Box address is there. Or not  

Good idea, I thought about that as well!

As to valuation, we should probably see what others that have a copy find out as that will help.   :lol:    Who else has one?

  


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:02 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:I'll check later when I get over to the Hall.

I'll also check our copy of Pharaoh and see if the P.O. Box address is there. Or not :roll: :?:


Hey Invincible, what did you find out in checking your copies?  :?:

  


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:58 pm 
 

Jeff,

Well to add to the confusion.

Our Rahasia states:

Rahasia
Copyright May 1979
DayStar West Productions
All Rights Reserved

It measures 11" tall by 8 1/2" wide

Our Pharaoh states:

Pharaoh
Copyright May 1980 by Tracy and Laura Hickman
DayStar West Productions
834 E. 300 s. #7; Provo, Utah 84601
All Rights Reserved

It measures 11" tall by 8 1/2" wide

Let me bounce some initial thoughts off you guys.

First just off the bat from reading your return e-mail from Tracy "moving around a bit and deciding to drop the P.O. Box # as it was more trouble than help" wouldn't the same be said of this Utah address? So could that mean that our copy or Rahasia was put together after our Pharaoh? 8O Think about it, why would a book from May of 80 have a contact address, but a book from the same folks have a May of 79 without one unless it was made after May of 80, somtime after they decided to drop the contact address until "finally making the journey east to Wisconsin and TSR" .
Or maybe Pharaoh was made when they thought they were going to be stable at one address for a while? Maybe we should run it by Tracy?

Also the covers of both modules were printed on a press. Those deep black tones on the heavy stock paper could not be achieved on copiers of the era. So they most likely had the covers all printed at one time, and used them as needed. I'd ask about this as well.

Do you have any other thoughts guys?


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:18 pm 
 

Wow, this definitely adds another dimension or two.  :!:

Is that the exact typing with upper and lower case?

If so, we now have three confirmed printings, and Pharaoh is another different one.

Did you check the double sided pages to see if they matched?


I agree about the covers...definitely professionally printed en mass most likely.



So I think the next step here is to seek out a few more owners on this, and perform a few more comparisons, and then I'll follow-up with Tracy on this a bit more to see if we can piece together a chronology.


Who else has a copy so I can email them and include them in the research??

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:15 pm 
 

Well now...

MY copy says: Copyright May 1979 by Daystar West Media Productions.

The doublesided printed pages are: 7/8, 9/10, 11/12, 15/16, 32/33.

I have had my copy for about 20 years and have never even read it much less played it. It has been sitting in a box with all of my Judge's Guild stuff for a long, long time. I had no idea it was worth anything. I am just glad it is in such excellent condition. :D[/i]

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:23 pm 
 

iattackthedarkness wrote:I have had my copy for about 20 years and have never even read it much less played it. It has been sitting in a box with all of my Judge's Guild stuff for a long, long time. I had no idea it was worth anything. I am just glad it is in such excellent condition. :D[/i]

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:35 am 
 

Howdy Jeff,


My copy of Rahasia (8.5" X 11" and has double sided printing on pages 7/8, 9/10, 11/12, 15/16 and 32/33) states:

********************************************
RAHASIA
Copyright May 1979 Daystar West Media Productions


ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
********************************************

My copy of Pharaoh (8.5" X 11") states:

********************************************
PHARAOH

Copyright May 1980 by Tracy and Laura Hickman
Daystar West Productions
834 E. 300 S. #7; Provo, Utah 84601


ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
********************************************

Italics, caps, and spacing are shown as they are in the modules.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:41 am 
 

Howdy Jeff,


We should ask Tracy if they printed any copies of Rahasia before getting the P.O. Box. I'd guess no but it wouldn't hurt to ask.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:03 pm 
 

Jeff,

Sorry those weren't the exact lettering. Here are a few snaps of the text. My new digital camera's macro setting for taking pics of miniatures just found a new use. :)

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Our double-sided pages are the same as Paul's copy.  

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So far Jeff's copy with the P.O. Box address is the only one! 8O

Who else has copies? Please come forward.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:49 pm 
 

Thanks Paul and Invincible for your information and clarification, and to iattackthedarkness for coming forward with another copy!! :lol: That makes 5 copies without the PO box and 1 with, and both copies of Pharaoh match.

I will touch base with Tracy again and see if he can provide some chronology to these addresses.

Anyone else have copies they can compare and chime in on :?: :?:

On another note, the Rahasia information section also lists Phil Polli and Pete Standley....does anyone have their contact information?? I'd like to get their comments on this if they still have copies.

  
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