Badmike wrote:"In Italy, 80.7 percent of all crimes go unpunished and the culprit is not found — 96.8 percent of the thefts, 58.2 percent of the homicides, 84.6 percent of the robberies, and 64.3 percent of the kidnappings. Moreover, Mr. De Masi might have addressed the fact that the Swiss are much more heavily armed than Italians are, yet are also less violent. The 1994 Swiss homicide rate was of 1.32 per 100,000 people (among which only 0.58 were perpetrated with a firearm), while the Italian rate was 2.25 (of which 1.66 were perpetrated with a firearm)." (From National Reveiw, 5/7/2002)"Italy -- There are limits on the number of firearms and the quantity of ammunition a person may own. To be issued a permit to carry a firearm, a person must prove an established need, such as a dangerous occupation. Firearms which use the same ammunition as firearms used by the military -- which in America would include countless millions of rifles, shotguns, and handguns -- and ammunition for them are prohibited. Yet, "Italy`s gun law, `the most restrictive in Europe,` had left her southern provinces alone with a thousand firearm murders a year, thirty times Switzerland`s total." (Richard A. I. Munday, Most Armed & Most Free?, Brightlingsea, Essex: Piedmont Publishing, 1996.)
rosenkav wrote:Comparing us to Switzerland, a neutral nation since the medieval times and one of the best administered of the world, seems a bit unfair to me.
harami2000 wrote:If there are dice in a high-value package, get them sent separately.
johnhuck wrote:harami2000 wrote:If there are dice in a high-value package, get them sent separately. Will try and remember that tip.
Stereotypes of the gunslinging, pizza-eating, striped-suit Mafia boys do not render Italians justice - as it would be picturing all the Americans as naive, hamburger-eating, Stetson-wearing gung-ho dumbwits
Ethesis wrote:Stereotypes of the gunslinging, pizza-eating, striped-suit Mafia boys do not render Italians justice - as it would be picturing all the Americans as naive, hamburger-eating, Stetson-wearing gung-ho dumbwits Hey, I'm from Texas, and you are right, it isn't fair to picture us all as wering Stetsons ...
rosenkav wrote:Badmike wrote:"In Italy, 80.7 percent of all crimes go unpunished and the culprit is not found — 96.8 percent of the thefts, 58.2 percent of the homicides, 84.6 percent of the robberies, and 64.3 percent of the kidnappings. Moreover, Mr. De Masi might have addressed the fact that the Swiss are much more heavily armed than Italians are, yet are also less violent. The 1994 Swiss homicide rate was of 1.32 per 100,000 people (among which only 0.58 were perpetrated with a firearm), while the Italian rate was 2.25 (of which 1.66 were perpetrated with a firearm)." (From National Reveiw, 5/7/2002)"Italy -- There are limits on the number of firearms and the quantity of ammunition a person may own. To be issued a permit to carry a firearm, a person must prove an established need, such as a dangerous occupation. Firearms which use the same ammunition as firearms used by the military -- which in America would include countless millions of rifles, shotguns, and handguns -- and ammunition for them are prohibited. Yet, "Italy`s gun law, `the most restrictive in Europe,` had left her southern provinces alone with a thousand firearm murders a year, thirty times Switzerland`s total." (Richard A. I. Munday, Most Armed & Most Free?, Brightlingsea, Essex: Piedmont Publishing, 1996.)Maybe someone forgot to tell the Mafia to turn in their firearms.....Mike B.Mike, I am Italian too. And the problem is not about firearms - the problem is about law and its application. The italian law is very restrictive, but also administered by judges who tend to use a "softer" hand against criminals than Usa judges do, and actively discourage owning and use of firearms in the "legal" society. A very different situation from Usa, where the owning of firearms is seen as an heritage of freedom - but where the punishments for breaching the laws are harsher and swiftly administered (I still have to read about the total number of homicides in the Us, though...)Comparing us to Switzerland, a neutral nation since the medieval times and one of the best administered of the world, seems a bit unfair to me.Stereotypes of the gunslinging, pizza-eating, striped-suit Mafia boys do not render Italians justice - as it would be picturing all the Americans as naive, hamburger-eating, Stetson-wearing gung-ho dumbwits
Badmike wrote:"In Italy, 80.7 percent of all crimes go unpunished and the culprit is not found — 96.8 percent of the thefts, 58.2 percent of the homicides, 84.6 percent of the robberies, and 64.3 percent of the kidnappings. Moreover, Mr. De Masi might have addressed the fact that the Swiss are much more heavily armed than Italians are, yet are also less violent. The 1994 Swiss homicide rate was of 1.32 per 100,000 people (among which only 0.58 were perpetrated with a firearm), while the Italian rate was 2.25 (of which 1.66 were perpetrated with a firearm)." (From National Reveiw, 5/7/2002)"Italy -- There are limits on the number of firearms and the quantity of ammunition a person may own. To be issued a permit to carry a firearm, a person must prove an established need, such as a dangerous occupation. Firearms which use the same ammunition as firearms used by the military -- which in America would include countless millions of rifles, shotguns, and handguns -- and ammunition for them are prohibited. Yet, "Italy`s gun law, `the most restrictive in Europe,` had left her southern provinces alone with a thousand firearm murders a year, thirty times Switzerland`s total." (Richard A. I. Munday, Most Armed & Most Free?, Brightlingsea, Essex: Piedmont Publishing, 1996.)Maybe someone forgot to tell the Mafia to turn in their firearms.....Mike B.
Sotterraneo wrote:Organized crime will never uphold laws of course. If Mafia wants guns, it will get guns. If laws were more relaxed, perhaps it could buy them here and not 'importing' them from the Balkans... The key to safety is not, in my eyes, giving everybody a gun, the key to safety is a strong state with a good police force and a tough policy against crime and criminals (something sadly lacking here, I'm afraid, and not for lack of effort by the police). New York shows that. ...
dave wrote:Although I find this comes as a surprise to many Europeans, there are some states in the United States(like North Dakota), with crime rates as low as Europe.
killjoy32 wrote:dave wrote:Although I find this comes as a surprise to many Europeans, there are some states in the United States(like North Dakota), with crime rates as low as Europe.europe has low crime rates??!!! swap with you anytime my friend!
cavscout761 wrote:Well.......In 1776, Thomas Jefferson stated that, "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."No offense meant to anyone outside the U.S.Just my two cents.