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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:12 am 
 

As a lot of auctions on e-bay states that they send only domestic - without caring for the rest of the world - and here instead we are a global community of collectors, bound by the same desires and the same (at least I hope) attitude for collecting, what would you think of voluntarily helping others Acaeans by giving our home address for their auctions in abroad countries, so resolving the problem of partecipating to Usa, Uk and european auctions?



In this way, to make an example, an Uk seller would ship - at minimal cost (a citizen of Uk WOULD know about excessive shipping charges) to an Acaean Uk citizen, who would - on his part - receive the goods and do the shipping to his fellow Acaean from abroad who won the auction in the first place.



That is, a League of Free Traders :)



As we all are equipped with Paypal accounts, that would be simple to put up - paying each other for the shipping charges, sure that we all would employ the least expensive option to ship our beloved goods, and finally having the possibility of partecipating in auctions we could not attend instead.



All we need is a little bit of time and some informations about packet shipping to other countries.



Me, on my part, would be very happy of volunteering for something like that.



Any takers?



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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:24 am 
 

Although, I think in principle this may be a good idea, but me being a cyincal person, I don't know how feasible it is based on 2 facts. First fact is, a lot of times if a seller lists domestic shipping only and he/she sees a non-domestic bid on his/her auction, then the seller will cancel the bid outright. The second problem I would anticipate is the trust factor. It seems we don't even trust each another enough around here to try to set up an effective system for a price guide, let alone trusting someone enough to ship them their item(s). You also run into issues with "What happens if the item gets lost?" which is whole can of worms that I don't know if anyone would want to get involved with.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:35 am 
 

I can only answer about shipping: on my part as an e-bay seller, I use trackable shipping methods ONLY. If the item gets lost in the universal void, and there's a trackable system behind, you're entitled to a refund. Sad consolation, but the only one I can think of.



When you place a bid to someone who doesn't accept international shipping, you just send him a mail via e-bay telling that you possess an address in his/her home country. Who doesn't have an uncle in Usa?  :wink:



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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:40 am 
 

It's always worth asking the seller first.  I do this with at least a 90% success rate.



The default setting allows shipping to your own country only.  And most sellers don't even realise they have done this.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:42 am 
 

And once you've got the first question and the formalities out of the way, move on to the 2nd question.



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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:56 am 
 

if any of my fellow-foreign-acaeum-members are bidding on stuff that UK ppl won't ship abroad, you can gladly have it sent to me and i will ship it onwards. providing you are happy to pick up the charges, its cool with me.



a favour in return is always a good thing somewhere along the way if you ask me, and these days, goodwill is a valuable thing to have.



so if you ever need that, just get in touch.



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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:03 am 
 

bclarkie wrote: ...First fact is, a lot of times if a seller lists domestic shipping only and he/she sees a non-domestic bid on his/her auction, then the seller will cancel the bid outright. The second problem I would anticipate is the trust factor. It seems we don't even trust each another enough around here to try to set up an effective system for a price guide, let alone trusting someone enough to ship them their item(s)....




There are a few members here with whom I would lay out that level of trust, but only a very few.... Of course, I am far more trusting than most, and perhaps less cynical... lol



That is until I am burned. After that re-gaining any level of trust is very tuff.



And I do agree that there are MANY easily seen problems inherent in anything of this sort. Such as those you have listed, for starters, and others as yet unforeseen too.



Of course, on the other hand.... if there were a smallish tight nit group of collectors who truly wanted this sort of system to work, it could be worked and tweaked in ways that would do that group some good.



I have seen many others who (On this forum) have brought up similar joint effort ideas and joint collecting methods. This is not a new idea.



That sort of thing takes a great amount of patience, and a vast amount of trust for those involved. Trust is not an easy thing for situations that can easily involve hundreds or even thousands of dollars.... obviously, money and the fear of loosing it with little or no recourse is the key. If you harbor fears of loosing large sums of money with little or no means of regaining it, then you will quite naturally avoid this sort of cooperation too.



Patience on that level is rarer than a Mint Pre-Pub Woody, and Trust on that level is not easy to come by either, and even more difficult to maintain.



But quite possibly worth the efforts.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:23 pm 
 

I might be willing to do this but the stuff would have to be trackable/insured and packed in a steel box.  If something were to be damaged, mistlisted, shipped wrong item (I've done it, a few times) it would really screw the system.  Maybe on like low vaule goods, but you get something worth $1,000+ and your talking serious liability on the middle mans side.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:56 pm 
 

I've done it for people, and people have done it for me. Here and outside the forum.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:56 pm 
 

I guess that means I go both ways.........


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:04 pm 
 

Not wanting to put dampen the spirit of cooperation here but has anyone looked into something like Mailboxes etc. or their ilk. They have shipping services and the like. It is possible that they might have some sort of forwarding service. Though it is also possible that given the current state of the world there might be security concerns with packages being forwarded through a third party.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:35 pm 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:I guess that means I go both ways.........




I knew it all that talk about prision sex.........



nobody drop the soap around dreadlord.....





btw dreadlord you get your name from UO?

  

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:28 am 
 

Nope. They used to call me Death Lord when I was winning constructed tournaments with a zombie deck during my Magic days. I shortened it to Deadlord when i was, you guessed it, 36.


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:19 am 
 

Marlith wrote:Not wanting to put dampen the spirit of cooperation here but has anyone looked into something like Mailboxes etc. or their ilk. They have shipping services and the like. It is possible that they might have some sort of forwarding service. Though it is also possible that given the current state of the world there might be security concerns with packages being forwarded through a third party.




Still pro services like Mailboxes don't resolve the problem of auctioning on items that the seller doesn't want to send outside his home country. I understand that for big markets like Usa or Uk this isn't such a problem, but it gets tough to see an item you crave going at an auction without the possibility of getting it...



For the security part, I agree wholeheartedly. But we all use Ebay, and Ebay is founded upon trust to a seller you don't even know, but you know to adhere to a set of common rules you and him agreed to. After all, we send sometimes very good amounts of money for something we don't have seen, maybe to a person we don't know and will not ever see again.



Yet the Ebay system works well, if we can judge from the success of Mr. Pierre Omidyar.



I wonder if this level of trust could be achieved in a global community like the Acaeum - to do something more than the very good work of all of you, keeping prices of our collector items under control.



My optimistic answer is yes.



My personal way would be to setup some rules regarding the freight shipping - that could be only done via trackable methods and having all the shippings insured, and not taking the middleman responsible for any shortcoming (if he has followed the rules of the service step by step).

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:31 am 
 

i've never had a problem sending anything from the UK to anywhere else in the world - not one thing has gone missing (waits now for the impending doom) - have sent to italy many times with no problems, so it doesnt bother me in the slightest - was amazed when my items actually got to japan and australia, so its cool with me :)



as for favours n stuff, i would gladly do that for the ppl i have dealt with and am getting to know well - they know who they are, so i dont need to mention their names. as i said, trust is everything and i would have no problem helping out.



my motto is that if you are fair to others, they will be fair to you - doesnt always work as you will always have one or two who will exploit a situation to the fullest for their selfish selves, but the world is made that way and there isnt a thing you can do about it, other than not deal with them again :)



i will always stay the same, and as with Aneoth, i AM a very trusting person - too much sometimes, but once you lose that trust, you will also find that i am one of the most stubborn ppl you will ever come across and nothing short of a miracle will get it back.



have a nice day peeps! back to work now,



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Post Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:40 am 
 

I suppose that trust is the keyword here. EBay works on trust, but trust backed by sanctions and punishments for the uncrupolous seller or buyer. Well, in theory at least :D . Before getting a credit card, I used sending money to sellers to pay and I used always certified mail to ask for refunds if money or products went 'lost'. A significant percentage did get lost. When I switched to PayPal, the number of lost packages dropped dramatically considering the hardsh policies of PayPal regarding buyers' complains. So, I could ever do something like the Francesco - Rosenkav proposal with people I really trust and know. But building such level of trust with somebody you never met in person (and probably never will) it's really hard  :? Better policies is asking to seller if they are 100% sure about not shipping overseas. Many people use 'US only' as a default option. If you ask them politely, declare you are aware of high shipping costs and promise PayPal payment, 90% of them say 'Yes'. For the moment, I limit myself to be somewhat hesitant to bid against some forum members (not all  :D  :twisted: )

  
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