Ralf Toth wrote:Selling photocopies of cheap modules and keeping the bidder list private is shady, isn't it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 46771&rd=1

johnhuck wrote:Just a warning to potential buyers from Cougarrinard. If you don't leave positive feedback, you will receive the email at the bottom on a weekly basis. I won't even waste my breath (or should I say fingers) on the should/shouldn't you leave feedback first debate. It's been done to death. Make up your own minds.
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re; Feedback;

I too shared your belief & reasons for the feedback procedure that you request, until I had the following revelations;

Firstly I became aware that I was leaving many more feedbacks than I was receiving.   Upon reaching 4,000 left for me I had left over 5,000 not a very good return rate?  I found that if I left feedback first the other party very often did not bother.

Secondly other Power sellers had adopted the new procedure and advised me to use it, it also gives me notice that the items have arrived.

Thirdly, if some one returns an item expecting a refund surel'y then I become in effect the buyer so feedback should be left then by who? originally? the first leave feedback for me rule dont hold water in such instances?

But the final straw came when I sold an item to someone (left the feedback accordingly - at the time when the payment came through) who was just fussy, picky and damn right nasty.  Insisted I refund him in full, before he returned the item, threatened me with EBay proceedings, stating that he lived only 10 mins from EBay HQ USA, & that his mother was a high court judge.  Stupidly I succumbed to his threats & he left me negative feedback anyway, which left me with no recourse -, as I had already left him positive feedback & refunded his money.  I was only trying to keep good customer relations & uphold my good feedback rating, but this person (I use the term loosely) really made me think about the feedback procedure & thus its now the way I must do it.

I hope you understand its nothing personal & am sure that your items now & future & our feedbacks will be ok.  After 4 years on Ebay & around 2,000 rated on over 6,000 items I am sure you can understand my reasons

Finally I can add that I have no need not to post you feedback once you have as I want your continued custom, & not giving you any feedback or bad feedback would risk that?

thanks

--Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: John Huckerby
To: DAVID WHITFIELD
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: 5939131308 dice


Dave

I say this to everyone who asks. As a seller I leave feedback first (which no one ever questions). As a buyer I leave feedback second or not at all (which seems to cause the most questions).

I hope you understand that I do this to prevent feedback extortion and that I believe the person who is left with the money has taken the least risk.

But I can say that the dice were packed well and I would not hesitate to leave the appropriate feedback under the right circumstances.

Regards.

John.
----- Original Message -----
From: DAVID WHITFIELD
To: John Huckerby
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:36 AM
Subject: 5939131308 dice


PLEASE?
EBAY FEEDBACK

hi,

I am very sorry to trouble you but was wondering if you were going to leave feedback for the above transaction?

You see I believe the transaction is not fully completed/over/finished until feedback has been left?

Also its a good indication if you received the item or not?

So please take a few minutes to leave feedback, if all is well I hope for a positive, if something's wrong please e-mail me first before leaving neg or neutral?

thanks for understanding,

the feedback rating gives others clear indication of trading ability both buying & selling - recommendations go along way, you would not want your car fixed by an unreputable mechanic any more than your buy your house from a rough trader.

So please help to spread good vibes via feedback about those traders who deserve it?

thanks for your time

--Dave

afoolandhis$ wrote:Not to interrupt this highly entertaining exchange, but has anyone had bad dealings with trollandtoad.com?

Two recent purchases from them were way off of their online descriptions. One was described as shrinked, but turned out it wasn't; the other was a "true first print" PHB that turned out to be a 6th printing.

They were nice enough about refunds, though.

afoolandhis$ wrote:

belial418 wrote:
Yeah they got me too--I even emailed and told him I was surprised and doubted they really had a Shrink Wrapped Basic set (The one with the Red Dragon, the Wizard and the fighter) I guess you call it the 1978 version? I dont know--well, it really was--but not shrink wrapped and not in mint cond. But it was better than I had hoped for I guess. I'm still learning--but it seems I'm getting burned constantly!

I actually spoke to them on the phone before ordering the "true first" PHB, and they confirmed the online description before sending me a 6th print. After I got it and called back to complain, they said they never had a true first. So...an honest mistake, or are they a shady dealer? After reading about your experience, I'm inclined to think they're a bit shady.

Wow, fascinating exchanges with maxwell, and useful (to say the least) info on cougarrinard. Glad to be here and benefit from the wisdom and vast experience of others.

belial418 wrote:Well, I suppose I have 2-3 listings for the "Shadiest Dealer" of the week so far, I'll prob. have to go with Mr.Trolland toad--but then again, if he really does give fast refunds no questions asked, thats actually being honest.
I paid for a bunch of auctions the other day (different dealer) and one module was not sent--it was only worth about $6, but it is the principle right? I gave feedback on everything but the one I did not recieve and contacted the seller, should I do anything else? Is it worth it? I've been doing business with him for about 2 years now actually--and this has never happened. Any suggesstions?


(We now return to our regularly scheduled verbal assualt conflict main event!!!")

afoolandhis$ wrote:

bclarkie wrote:Well, I would definitely contact the seller first. Sometimes, particularly with newer sellers and large sellers, things sometimes get overlooked. Most times, it is purely an honest mistake. I would definitely email them first and inquire, then depending on the response(or lack there of ) you get should determine your next action.

I haven't yet returned the 6th printing PHB that was listed as a true first, so I can't comment on their refund policy. But I can say that they sent me a FedEx bill of lading within two days of my complaint. They seem pretty nice on the phone, but my 2 experiences and those of Belial make me wonder why they're so often way off on their item descriptions. I'm just going to stay away from them from now on.

bclarkie wrote:Well here is a rather shady selling technique:

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 2&rd=1

Seller is selling a lot of 1st ed. Hardcovers, which is fine, he also has some nice clean pictures showing the various books, which is also fine. However, check out his last picture, it shows a picture of the Cthulhu page from Deities & Demigods, which is not included in the auction. That can be pretty deceiving if you are not fully paying attention to all the details