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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:35 pm 
 

Well  I sure see why my dad didn't mention this to me.  But, a  fellow with the email address of [email protected] sent me a verrrrrry vulgar email attack - through eBay, even though I don't think I have ever sold him anything or met him and pointed me to this site.  I can say I won't be back (here), and that your comments did, indeed, hurt my feelings.  How can people call me a gully dwarf who never met me?  How come so many people how never met me hate me so much?  I used to be proud to call my self a gamer, thinking that we at least shared a love of something common, and a tollerance of one another.    What an EYE opener!!!!!!

  


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:38 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:I am sure we have all been on the end of some pretty hurtful comments in our lives . . . and I am sure we all have said many things over the years that we regret.   :(

With that in mind . . . maybe the authors of some of the more hurtful comments might be inclined to edit their posts?  It certainly doesn't profit anything or anyone to leave them up as they are now.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:44 pm 
 

As I'm sure most everyone knows, I'm an insensitive ass, so it would be against my nature to edit any posts, and betraying my nature is against my religion. I don't think I made any heinous statements, but if I did........ oh well.
I believe Tonya's statements in her About Me page were made when she actually thought Melissa was sick. If so, she certainly deserves every bit of flaming that went on here. I might be mistaken, however. Either way, this could be a great way for her to learn the consequences of losing your cool as a merchant. She might even be able to count it as credit towards a course.
Might be a good idea to lock the Tonya threads. Now that all the gooey stuff is out in the open, I don't see much use in slinging more mud.
BTW, Xax, whether it's you or someone you care about that is suffering, you know you have the support and best wishes of everyone here.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:46 pm 
 

Tonya King wrote:Well  I sure see why my dad didn't mention this to me.  But, a  fellow with the email address of [email protected] sent me a verrrrrry vulgar email attack - through eBay, even though I don't think I have ever sold him anything or met him and pointed me to this site.  I can say I won't be back (here), and that your comments did, indeed, hurt my feelings.  How can people call me a gully dwarf who never met me?  How come so many people how never met me hate me so much?  I used to be proud to call my self a gamer, thinking that we at least shared a love of something common, and a tollerance of one another.    What an EYE opener!!!!!!


Well that cleared up everything  :?  although I might not agree with the personal attacks you would probably be best served in responding to the comments that held merit otherwise ( behavior, practices, etc. )  you just leave yourself open to more attacks/complaints.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:04 pm 
 

Needless to say, such a reply was expected. I am sure many people here would have appreciated some argument over the matters that actually had a point beyond a few shouts about the insults, which are perfectly legitimate but maybe you have noticed that there are people who have argued in a most reasonable fashion without offending you. We would have appreciated, but I am not surprised that a constructive reply has not arrived. This was perfectly in line with what we read in Badmike's post, although it is more justifiable.

Publicly insulting miss Tonya was certainly wrong and useless, but beyond that I think this thread had a point.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:34 pm 
 

Tonya King wrote:Well  I sure see why my dad didn't mention this to me.  But, a  fellow with the email address of [email protected] sent me a verrrrrry vulgar email attack - through eBay, even though I don't think I have ever sold him anything or met him and pointed me to this site.

That was me.* As mentioned elsewhere, I actually prefer to have various IDs at various web sites, although I realize that it gets confusing for any outside observers.

Tonya, believe it or not, I'm going to publicly apologize for the vulgarity — that sort of language is usually not my style. My excuse will be a slow (but strong) build-up of resentment over your horrible customer service combined with an alcohol-fueled rage over your galactically selfish attitude of "those pesky cancer patients are always affecting me." But like all excuses, it's just an excuse, so again, I apologize for the vulgarity.

But, other than that, I'm not going to debate you here; I've made my feelings pretty clear-cut already. Your "About Me" page tells me everything I need to know about how selfish, greedy, and manipulative you are. Any further discussion is pointless.

Watch out for that Karma boomerang, Tonya — it's going to really hurt.

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*Although publicly posting my e-mail address here is just one more reason to wonder what the hell goes on inside your head. Saying "I received an e-mail and it pointed me here" would have accomplished the exact same thing. This reminds me of you publicly posting your blocked bidder list: just what, exactly, is the point?

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:40 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:BTW, Xax, whether it's you or someone you care about that is suffering, you know you have the support and best wishes of everyone here.

Thank you.

Just to be clear, my health is fine (well, for a guy who could stand to exercise a little bit more, that is). But I have seen many loved ones go into the ground over the past three of four years following losing battles with cancer. I suppose I've totally over-reacted to Tonya's "About Me" page ... but, honestly, it's been a long time since I've been that angry.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:13 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:I am sure we have all been on the end of some pretty hurtful comments in our lives . . . and I am sure we all have said many things over the years that we regret.   :(

Guilty on both counts.  But that's part of living, growing, maturing.

With that in mind . . . maybe the authors of some of the more hurtful comments might be inclined to edit their posts?  It certainly doesn't profit anything or anyone to leave them up as they are now.

I wouldn't edit the original content of the posts.  The posts happened, and they can't be unread by anyone.

But appending an apology is a way of recognizing the harm done and taking responsibility, or maybe I'm misapplying the 12 Steps.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:34 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:47 pm 
 

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That's better than anything I've got at the moment ...

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:09 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:
Deadlord39 wrote:BTW, Xax, whether it's you or someone you care about that is suffering, you know you have the support and best wishes of everyone here.

Thank you.

Just to be clear, my health is fine (well, for a guy who could stand to exercise a little bit more, that is). But I have seen many loved ones go into the ground over the past three of four years following losing battles with cancer. I suppose I've totally over-reacted to Tonya's "About Me" page ... but, honestly, it's been a long time since I've been that angry.


just on that point too, my g/f (sorta on n off anyway) has had breast cancer and has been through about 8 months of chemo, so anyone who slates anybody about cancer REALLY pisses me off so say the least. for a human person, its just about as insensitive as you can possibly get, and those kinda things are utterly unforgiveable no matter what excuses or apologies follow.

regardless of whatever shit gets thrown backwards and forwards, comments directed at ppl who have genuine ailments that are beyond their control ..... THEM are the ones that you should be ashamed of as a good person. for someone who also goes to church..... well i need say no more.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:43 pm 
 

Eh... might as well use this thread for another shady dealer, other than the above (if that's permitted ;))

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Seller: <caliverbooks>
Purchase: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8769274665

I read their postage and terms & conditions from the top of the auction page and, since those were clear, did not scroll all the way down to the end of the page to spot the compulsory add-on contrary to their own Ts&Cs.
Silly me...

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harami2000 wrote:Hello there,

I've raised a complaint with eBay since your charge for insurance is excessive (£2.50 vs. 66p actual charge for recorded delivery) and has been applied in a mandatory fashion despite your Terms and Conditions - which I read as requested - stating that insurance was OPTIONAL.
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Items posted at buyers risk. Insurance available at an extra £2.50. ITEMS LOST IN TRANSIT WITHOUT INSURANCE WILL NOT BE REFUNDED OR REPLACED ).

Please resolve this illegal surcharge on a service and clarify your auction text for future auctions.

If you have now decided that insurance is mandatory (contrary to your own terms and conditions), please levy this at ACTUAL cost of 66p which I will be happy to pay.

Kind regards,
David. (harami2000)

It might be "only" an extra £1.84 that they're extracting as a surcharge from each buyer, but those add up.

Noted as they have other RPG & wargame items and may tempt other buyers from here in future.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:31 pm 
 

Tonya King wrote:Well  I sure see why my dad didn't mention this to me.  But, a  fellow with the email address of [email protected] sent me a verrrrrry vulgar email attack - through eBay, even though I don't think I have ever sold him anything or met him and pointed me to this site.  I can say I won't be back (here), and that your comments did, indeed, hurt my feelings.  How can people call me a gully dwarf who never met me?  How come so many people how never met me hate me so much?  I used to be proud to call my self a gamer, thinking that we at least shared a love of something common, and a tollerance of one another.    What an EYE opener!!!!!!

The personal attacks were not warranted, Tonya.  People get incensed in their opinions and say stupid things.  

That being said, consider that with this lot of seasoned gaming veterans, "Gully Dwarf" may in fact be a compliment.  If they hated you, they would have called you a half-dragon/half-troll/half-otyugh barbarian/enchanter/anti-paladin/monk/ranger, or whatever the 3rd edition folks are playing these days...  :wink:

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:48 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:Anybody remember the exact ebay id jonb used in his last incarnation?

Something tells me that JonB is about ready for a re-boot ... I believe this would be JonB version 4.0, right? I hope I'm wrong, but I've just got a real sinking feeling in my stomach. It's either a JonB alert or else I need to use the bathroom ... I often confuse the two.

However, the good news is that I have no doubt that Brian or someone else here will flush him out within 12 hours if he does attempt a comeback.

And isn't Maxwell long overdue to sign on here as "Wexllam" or "Laxmewl" or some other clever name?

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:49 pm 
 

Yeah, Gully Dwarves....don't knock 'em if you haven't tried 'em!   :lol:

Personally, Neo-Otyugh shmegma would have really pissed me off....or maybe being labelled a Dirty Sanchez from a Roper....Gully dwarf in the whole scheme of things ain't that bad....

I'm glad that things didn't get worse here. The good thing is: People's issues were aired and heard very clearly. Also, Tonya was invited to respond and she did, in her fashion. The Not So Good: there was some emotion-driven mudslinging that didn't really accomplish much. Might have felt good, and I understand that, too. But throwing dirt at people only takes solid ground out from under your own feet, or at least that's what The Waterboy's Momma says...

It could have been worse.

Tonya: You can learn a bit about better business practices and communication from all this. Don't write these guys off as they have a considerable amount of disposable income for YOUR product. And these guys didn't just start firing because they are trolls or bored or whatever. They had a serious beef that needed to be addressed. You made mistakes, and need to own them. It will probably be a while before any of them want to buy from you, though. Yes, I am gifted when it comes to understatement.

It shouldn't have devolved to personal slamming regarding appearances (myself, in the words of Edmund Blackadder, I look like a bird that swallowed a plate...) but the guys here 'fessed up and owned up...good enough.

Hey DeadLord! You ain't that insensitive....then again, V day has come and gone and where are my damn roses?

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:56 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:Something tells me that JonB is about ready for a re-boot ... I believe this would be JonB version 4.0, right?

Hrmm.... Not a pleasant thought for the day for many people here, that.

Xaxaxe wrote:And isn't Maxwell long overdue to sign on here as "Wexllam" or "Laxmewl"...

Sounds more like a Max-Cougar hybrid. Image  *shudders*


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:25 pm 
 

RWilson wrote:Yeah, Gully Dwarves....don't knock 'em if you haven't tried 'em!   :lol:

Rob, is it me and my weird old-new-hybrid-Macintosh set-up, or is your avatar not showing up alongside your posts?

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:32 pm 
 

No it isn't you....Yeah, I can't even remember what I had as an avatar- it never did load up or whatever. I think it was a really goofy picture of a kid with nunchucks in a dumpster or something....oh well...


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