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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:10 pm 
 

I don't have a problem with up front high shipping.

Tonya and Titan have high up front costs....but they also have no issues with quality of shipping.  They are a bit deliberate about their shipping process, but they attach a tracking number to every item....and Bob's your uncle!

I have issues with hidden charges and misleading listings.

One thing bclarkie didn't tell us was whether or not these came with combined shipping charges....for instance...did he pay $6 each or was it all shipped for a charge of $6.  Even for $6, the seller should have tossed in a piece of cardboard.

IF the shipping charge was only $6, then it compounds the seller's behavior.  For $6 he got three negs.

Also, the seller's answer tends to indicate that he knew the items were in bad condition before he mailed them...probably that one of the covers was already detached and torn in half.

Bclarkie paid over $26 for all three (which would be a quite large purchase for me and a lot of other buyers) not counting shipping.  All three were listed as "excellent" condition.  $26 + $6 = $32.  

Minus the $2.67 for shipping and $0.25 for the envelope, this seller got $29 for the transaction.  Now minus out $6 for Ebay and PayPal fees and the seller netted about $23 for his time...and that includes sharply rounding down the figures bclarkie paid for all three items.

   $23...am I about right?

   I figure about three hours of work to list, communicate, pack and mail these items...which could be slightly high or low.

   Thus, his spare-time hobby/job (37 total feedbacks and 55 total items sold) paid him $7.66 per hour.  These are dishwasher wages, but this does not include other items he processed at the same time and should take into account the sideline nature of his business.

   The seller made foolish choices in how he deceptively listed the items, how he did the shipping and how he responded to bclarkie's complaint.  He should have paid attention both to how he was doing busines and who he was dealing with (hints about bclarkie's relative collector status were only a button click away).

    The seller alienated a prime customer.  He got three negs.  He got his name on this list.  Not bad for three hours of work.

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:41 pm 
 

Icar wrote:Selling to the public and selling to collectors are two different things.
The public are people who will use the item for its original purpose and then pass it on or discard it.
I sell RPG items to RPG players (the public).
On the big ticket items I will make a grading to the best of my ability.

I feel I am doing a service to the RPG community AND clearing my shelves. If you you expect an hour of work when the seller is making $3 you are deluded.

You aren't dealing with walmart, you are dealing with people who have careers, kids, and commitments.


All a seller has to do, even a casual one, is to make up a list of a few different ratings (say, Near Mint, Excellent, Very Good, Good, Poor) and list a few pertinent pieces of information about why each description fits, then cut and paste the descriptions on all his listings.  Then give the listing a rating.  That way, when the seller wants to communicate that the item has the cover falling off, he can say the item is in "Poor" condition and refer to his description list where under "Poor" it may say "Cover is probably falling off item".  It doesn't take more than five seconds to do this, and it alleviates a lot of guessing. That's why to me the seller is just simply dishonest, there is no way Excellent can be construed to mean "cover is off the item" unless you are lying to make a sale.  Believe me, I've had worse...the lady who listed a group of magazines as "near mint" and they had the covers falling off.  Happily, she did take the magazines back and gave me a full refund, and I did notice when she relisted them the "Near Mint" condition rating disappeared.  In that case I chalked it up to just not paying attention, there didn't seem to be any malice involved.
    It's gotten so bad I see tons of listings with absolutely no descriptions except an out of focus or hard to see digital photo.  Why bid on something like that?  In my experience, someone's ability or effort to describe their item is in direct proportion to how good of shape the item is in. I'm not playing the lotto here, why take a chance, plus I've had way too many items that looked ok in the photo turn out to be terrible in person.  If a seller wants to scrimp on the description, then he should be prepared to make the ocassional refund.

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:18 pm 
 

Grading is nice but when you are trying to turn over 40-50 items in a weekend you can screw up easily. I usually write" nice copy" if a module is in noteworthy condition…

I had sold a copy of one of the desert series. I had even gone through it to look for pen and pencil marks. It was clean. I flipped the pages just before packing it up and I had missed the part where someone had taken a razor to some the back pages. Had I known it had damaged pages I wouldn't have sold it at all, or I would have sold it in a junk lot. So I sucked it up and sent the guy a mint copy. Not that everyone has extra mint copies lying around though.

If you want to grade items well it takes time. It's serious business, and for me this is just a fun hobby. I luck out occasionally, but usually I get what I pay for.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:18 am 
 

An update on the highly gripping Buzz810 story.  

There has been a break in the case:

Hello mshipley88,
Sorry to be behind in things. The package was returned to us and we have reshipped the book out. Thank you for being patient on this. Please let us know when the package arrives or if any other problems arrise.
Good bargain hunting, Buzz810.


Wow, they got it back.  What a relief!   :lol:

He could have just said, "I didn't mail it yet...OK, now I did," and that would have been fine.

Stay tuned!

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:09 am 
 

MShipley88 wrote:An update on the highly gripping Buzz810 story.  

There has been a break in the case:

Hello mshipley88,
Sorry to be behind in things. The package was returned to us and we have reshipped the book out. Thank you for being patient on this. Please let us know when the package arrives or if any other problems arrise.
Good bargain hunting, Buzz810.


Wow, they got it back.  What a relief!   :lol:

He could have just said, "I didn't mail it yet...OK, now I did," and that would have been fine.

Stay tuned!

Mark   :lol:


hey mark

its funny that you should have that happen to you. i bought a load of con pre-reg books n stuff and the parcel got returned to the seller ! they then contacted me and sent it again and i received it this time. shipping was $50+ so that musta been an expensive op for the seller there. but total thumbs up from me to see a seller follow through at that level to the expense of themselves!

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:50 am 
 

There is a happy ending to the Buzz810 story.  The item arrived as ordered.

The seller mailed the item on August 3rd, and he had Delivery Confirmation on the package.

August 3rd, of course, is the day he emailed me to say that the package had not come in yet and when it did they would mail it out again right away.

So, if the seller somehow got and remailed the package on the same day, then his story could be true.

Given that he sent me a "remailed" message on the 5th....?

I don't think that this guy is shady so much as just careless with getting things in the mail...a crime I too have committed.

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:56 am 
 

I am still waiting on mine from Buzz810....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

Too little to waste PayPal and not large enought to risk the return neg. If I dont get it I will have to fo the last minute neg deal. That being said I feel like even that is wasting more time and effort than the money spent. Better just to never do business with again and write it off as a learning experience.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:10 am 
 

Marlith wrote:If I dont get it I will have to fo the last minute neg deal.


Careful there. I waited 90 days exactly (down to the last half-hour), posted a neg, and then on day 92 (!) the bum seller neg'd me back.

Either eB changed that 90-day thing or it's not counting from the date of sale. (Praps from the date of payment?)

  


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:59 am 
 

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Careful there. I waited 90 days exactly (down to the last half-hour), posted a neg, and then on day 92 (!) the bum seller neg'd me back.

Either eB changed that 90-day thing or it's not counting from the date of sale. (Praps from the date of payment?)


Ebay changed the terms of their feedback about a year ago now.  The new rule is 90 days from the date the first feedback is given unless no feedback is given and then it shuts off at 90 days total.  :)


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:57 pm 
 

BIG BUYER BEWARE

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This seller has what some people would consider interesting items up for sale  i.e. 3rd print MM, Iuz the Evil, CIty of Skulls, Several Massconfusion items, etc. This is the exact same seller that sold me and Badmike the fake Complete Tavern & Month Haul Dungeons last year.  Here is the threads that this was discussed in previously:

Game Lords Fakes :/

The former Non-TSR Recent Fun Finds Thread

Now I am not saying that what this guy has for sale is fake, but stuff that he has sold previously has been fake and it is something that I would be very careful about.  This seller is EXTREMELY dodgy and any bids that are place should be done so with an enormous amount of caution.  I would also warn particualrly about the Massconfusion items that he has up for sale, as  evidenced by the Gamelords Stuff, its a lot easier to conterfit.


As an additional note again about this guy, is that he also sells under the name pestolo(although not in this circumstance):

eBay Feedback Profile for pestolo


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:11 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:BIG BUYER BEWARE

eBay listings

This seller has what some people would consider interesting items up for sale  i.e. 3rd print MM, Iuz the Evil, CIty of Skulls, Several Massconfusion items, etc. This is the exact same seller that sold me and Badmike the fake Complete Tavern & Month Haul Dungeons last year.  Here is the threads that this was discussed in previously:

Game Lords Fakes :/

The former Non-TSR Recent Fun Finds Thread

Now I am not saying that what this guy has for sale is fake, but stuff that he has sold previously has been fake and it is something that I would be very careful about.  This seller is EXTREMELY dodgy and any bids that are place should be done so with an enormous amount of caution.  I would also warn particualrly about the Massconfusion items that he has up for sale, as  evidenced by the Gamelords Stuff, its a lot easier to conterfit.


As an additional note again about this guy, is that he also sells under the name pestolo(although not in this circumstance):

eBay Feedback Profile for pestolo


I don't think the guy has the balls or the know how to counterfeit legitimate TSR products.  However, I would be VERY leery of the Massconfusion stuff, the Dr. Demento modules.  I would lay money down they are copies. Now, if you just wanted a copy to read and only paid a few bucks for, then go ahead, if it's a fake then you won't be disappointed. However, if you definitely wanted a true copy and not a reproduction, then tread very carefully.

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:36 pm 
 

Cool...I just bought the Dark Forest campaign setting for $0.99, with like $2.25 shipping.

I am interested to hear about what Lord Laxton looks like when you get it.  A gentle Email nudge to the seller...just gentle...should suffice to move shipping along.


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Marlith wrote:I am still waiting on mine from Buzz810....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

Too little to waste PayPal and not large enought to risk the return neg. If I dont get it I will have to fo the last minute neg deal. That being said I feel like even that is wasting more time and effort than the money spent. Better just to never do business with again and write it off as a learning experience.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:41 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:
Now I am not saying that what this guy has for sale is fake, but stuff that he has sold previously has been fake and it is something that I would be very careful about.  This seller is EXTREMELY dodgy and any bids that are place should be done so with an enormous amount of caution.  I would also warn particualrly about the Massconfusion items that he has up for sale, as  evidenced by the Gamelords Stuff, its a lot easier to conterfit.


As an additional note again about this guy, is that he also sells under the name pestolo(although not in this circumstance):

eBay Feedback Profile for pestolo


thanks for the heads up on this one BC. i spotted them massconfusion items and was gonna swoop in, but think i will steer well clear now.

thanks for that

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:03 pm 
 

I'm tempted to bid.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:56 pm 
 

Miraculously both Oscar Goldman & Marlith show up at the same time now.  Now thats interesting.  Marlith used to hidden now all of a sudden he is not showing up as hidden anymore.  I wonder if I should PM Scott and have him check out the IP addresses of both of those posters.  I am guessing coincindentaly that they are both located very close to each other in Ohio. :roll:


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:57 pm 
 

On second thought, maybe I will PM Scott.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:18 am 
 

Cleaned up at the community's request.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:03 am 
 

ooooook  :?

dunno what else to say really.....guess the other view will be forthcoming so we can see where things are at.

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:27 am 
 

ooooook  

dunno what else to say really.....guess the other view will be forthcoming so we can see where things are at.

Al


I agree. Hasn't this been kicked around long enough?
It's been spread over several threads and had its own poll.
Enough already sheesh  :?

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:33 am 
 

chromaticknight wrote:
I agree. Hasn't this been kicked around long enough?
It's been spread over several threads and had its own poll.
Enough already sheesh  :?

Mike


Sorry Mike, this isn't about the Interesting Items on EBay thread at all.  Its all about Marlith and his actions against this comminity.  There is actually more to this story that I have left out.


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