Plaag wrote:I like Al's term: Muppet ShaneG.
MShipley88 wrote:This seller is probably an OK guy. I call the type of person who wants to "beat" Ebay a "genius." A "genius" (with sarcasm) is a guy who thinks the rest of us are abominably stupid for following the rules...so he feels OK with breaking them. He thinks the rest of us are suckers and he is soooo clever.
MShipley88 wrote: That is the kind of mindset that creates a shady dealer. Most of them figure they know an edge that will beat everyone else. It is the menal state, for instance, that allows them to convince themselves that selling pdf's of copyrighted material is OK...because who really remembers who owns this stuff, right? Like the "genius," the shady dealer is also highly selective about which rules he wants to remember. He knows all about your obligation to pay and remembers very little about the laws and rules applicable to him.Yeh, this fits the guys that charge BIN's for $1 on stuff with $10 shipping fees: "Whoa, if I load all the money to SHIPPING I won't be charged for it by Ebay, AND the buyers won't notice the charge until they buy the item!!!! Genius!!!!" Like they are the first moron to find that "flaw" in the system. They don't seem to factor in that sellers that do that are generally not very successful.....My own biggest rules lawyer moment: A year ago I got so disgusted with the whining that I actually wrote up a contract about the interpretation of the charm person spell...wrote it right on the flyleaf of a rule book. I forced my players to acknowledge that this was their interpretation of the rules...and then sign and date the contract.The player-character interpretation of how the spell should affect them is now the standard also applied to NPC's and monsters. No one even bothers to cast the spell anymore.
MShipley88 wrote: That is the kind of mindset that creates a shady dealer. Most of them figure they know an edge that will beat everyone else. It is the menal state, for instance, that allows them to convince themselves that selling pdf's of copyrighted material is OK...because who really remembers who owns this stuff, right? Like the "genius," the shady dealer is also highly selective about which rules he wants to remember. He knows all about your obligation to pay and remembers very little about the laws and rules applicable to him.
My own biggest rules lawyer moment: A year ago I got so disgusted with the whining that I actually wrote up a contract about the interpretation of the charm person spell...wrote it right on the flyleaf of a rule book. I forced my players to acknowledge that this was their interpretation of the rules...and then sign and date the contract.The player-character interpretation of how the spell should affect them is now the standard also applied to NPC's and monsters. No one even bothers to cast the spell anymore.
killjoy32 wrote:gotta say i have never really had so many problems like that with players before.i just like to let the game roam as rule-free as i can, cos i like the role-play of a game more. far more fun.only time it ever became a problem, was when a player joined the group and had a magical shield that i was unfamiliar with and couldnt find any reference to. not only that, i wasnt that bothered, but i felt it unbalanced the combats and the other characters playing, so i just arranged for it to be umm sorted courtesy of a lovely lil rust monster that came along while they were sleeping, i rolled for a save and oh sorry did it fail? when he woke up, he had the buckle and a pile of useless metal left. was he pissed? oh you betcha. Al
Badmike wrote:Yeh, this fits the guys that charge BIN's for $1 on stuff with $10 shipping fees: "Whoa, if I load all the money to SHIPPING I won't be charged for it by Ebay, AND the buyers won't notice the charge until they buy the item!!!! Genius!!!!" Like they are the first moron to find that "flaw" in the system. They don't seem to factor in that sellers that do that are generally not very successful.....Funny. I think I'll bring back the Rules Lawyering thread...I just thought of 2-3 pretty funny examples of same. Nothing better than hammering players with their own rules interpretations!Mike B.
Yeh, this fits the guys that charge BIN's for $1 on stuff with $10 shipping fees: "Whoa, if I load all the money to SHIPPING I won't be charged for it by Ebay, AND the buyers won't notice the charge until they buy the item!!!! Genius!!!!" Like they are the first moron to find that "flaw" in the system. They don't seem to factor in that sellers that do that are generally not very successful.....Funny. I think I'll bring back the Rules Lawyering thread...I just thought of 2-3 pretty funny examples of same. Nothing better than hammering players with their own rules interpretations!Mike B.
killjoy32 wrote:ah but in fairness, i DID compensate him with something that did fit into the game, so the party was more balanced to the way i wanted to do things.but yeah stick some rules in - would be very interested in other peoples interpretations...Al
Badmike wrote:Yeh, this fits the guys that charge BIN's for $1 on stuff with $10 shipping fees: "Whoa, if I load all the money to SHIPPING I won't be charged for it by Ebay, AND the buyers won't notice the charge until they buy the item!!!! Genius!!!!" Like they are the first moron to find that "flaw" in the system. They don't seem to factor in that sellers that do that are generally not very successful.....
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