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Blackmoor
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:24 pm

Here is the start of the list

caliverbooks

defreville43

Please feel free to add any others!!

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:17 pm

Selling photocopies of cheap modules and keeping the bidder list private is shady, isn't it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 46771&rd=1

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:52 pm

Ralf Toth wrote:Selling photocopies of cheap modules and keeping the bidder list private is shady, isn't it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 46771&rd=1

I would also have to say that falls under copyright infringement as well :roll: .

Btw, Maybe we should include the "coug" lol. :lol:

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:37 pm

Put him on the list.
Looks like he has a bidder! Could it be a shill?...........

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:19 pm

Ralf Toth wrote:Selling photocopies of cheap modules and keeping the bidder list private is shady, isn't it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 46771&rd=1

This seller is just about the true defintion of SHADY. Beside the fact he is selling illegal photocopies of copyrighted items and the fact that he has the bidding list private(huge, huge red flag, especially on an totally insignificant item), but lastly check out his feedback!! What a vindictive and defensive DICK!. He is so defensive that he even feels the need to respond negatively even to obviously positive feedback about shipping turn around time. i.e:

Items as described, rec'd 9 days from close. Would buy from selller again.
Buyer ejohnson7 ( 132) Feb-13-05 12:14 Private
Reply by andy*s-attic: SELLERS BEWARE! NEW USER! Average U.S. Mail shipping is 7-14 days! NOT MY DELAY! Feb-15-05 21:45

Wow!!!

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:32 pm

Ok. Look at this from eBay's point of view. They have a business that sells fake and illegal goods. They are not liable for those transactions, or any law breaking, provided they stop auctions that are contested by the copyright holder. Ever transaction that is not contested by the copyright holder is gets eBay a profit of around 3%.

If you ran a business that netted you 3% of illegal activity, but you could never be held responsible for that activity, wouldn't you continue to run that way? You'd be mad not to.

There is no motive for eBay to prevent illegal sales.
There is no motive for sellers not to sell fraudulent goods.
There is no motive for WoTC to try to prosecute an individual who sells a CD for $15.

Bring on the Son of Wackaman!!!!!!!!

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:19 pm

Once upon a time there was a little company called napster that thought the same thing....

mbassoc2003 wrote:Ok. Look at this from eBay's point of view. They have a business that sells fake and illegal goods. They are not liable for those transactions, or any law breaking, provided they stop auctions that are contested by the copyright holder. Ever transaction that is not contested by the copyright holder is gets eBay a profit of around 3%.

If you ran a business that netted you 3% of illegal activity, but you could never be held responsible for that activity, wouldn't you continue to run that way? You'd be mad not to.

There is no motive for eBay to prevent illegal sales.
There is no motive for sellers not to sell fraudulent goods.
There is no motive for WoTC to try to prosecute an individual who sells a CD for $15.

Bring on the Wackaman!!!!!!!!

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:57 pm

bclarkie wrote:Btw, Maybe we should include the "coug" lol.

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:05 pm

What is unfranked? Does it mean he is stealing the stamps?
I have been informed that wackaman has retired. His son Bill seems to be active though.

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:11 pm

Deadlord36 wrote:What is unfranked? Does it mean he is stealing the stamps?
I have been informed that wackaman has retired. His son Bill seems to be active though.

Heya!

No, Frank; it means he's buying up bulk-lots of postage stamps which haven't been postmarked.
People wash these off the envelopes from various sources- often bulk "charity lots"- and sell them on (which is totally legal, in its own right).

However, re-using them a second time for postage, as the coug does, is illegal...

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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:56 pm

harami2000 wrote:
Deadlord36 wrote:What is unfranked? Does it mean he is stealing the stamps?
I have been informed that wackaman has retired. His son Bill seems to be active though.

Heya!

No, Frank; it means he's buying up bulk-lots of postage stamps which haven't been postmarked.
People wash these off the envelopes from various sources- often bulk "charity lots"- and sell them on (which is totally legal, in its own right).

However, re-using them a second time for postage, as the coug does, is illegal...

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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:49 am

harami2000 wrote:
Deadlord36 wrote:What is unfranked? Does it mean he is stealing the stamps?
I have been informed that wackaman has retired. His son Bill seems to be active though.

Heya!

No, Frank; it means he's buying up bulk-lots of postage stamps which haven't been postmarked.
People wash these off the envelopes from various sources- often bulk "charity lots"- and sell them on (which is totally legal, in its own right).

However, re-using them a second time for postage, as the coug does, is illegal...

Maybe some people would like to give Cougar the benefit of the doubt.

He could be a philatelist afterall. :lol:

Well try buying something heavy from him and I guarantee that it will arrive covered in (reused) stamps.

In fact I will make sure that I forward those links on to the Royal Mail at the weekend. :twisted:

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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:56 am

Terminal_Frost wrote:Once upon a time there was a little company called napster that thought the same thing....

And they made Hundreds of Millions of dollars (Or was it Billions?) before anyone with authority said STOP... So, do you think the folks who owned napster cared all that much by then???

I am sure that they are wallowing in their self-incrimination as they look at one another smiling,

and then one of them gives a wink :wink:

and a hearty chuckle :lol:

saying,
"Man we sure did do bad things didn't we? We should repent and be good now that we are fabulously wealthy...."
They all have a good laugh :lol:

at his joke and then resume sipping their fancy umbrella drinks, and smoking their hundred dollar Cuban Cigars as they watch the sun set in the front of their private beachfront villa in the Bahamas...

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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:24 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 27602&rd=1

This guy- digitalrob76- used this same scan ~2 months ago. I won that auction, but the book that I received was in fairly crappy condition.

I only left neutral feedback. Yes, I know that I am a wuss.

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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:26 pm

ifearyeti wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 27602&rd=1

This guy- digitalrob76- used this same scan ~2 months ago. I won that auction, but the book that I received was in fairly crappy condition.

I only left neutral feedback. Yes, I know that I am a wuss.

You were probably lucky on that one, as I have seen lots of sellers respond with a big fat NEG, even though your feedback was clearly warranted :evil:

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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:22 pm

Maybe I should have started a different thread, but to me this kind of falls into the Shady Seller category to me. I was just browsing through auctions on Ebay, and I just started to think to myself about how badly it turns me off from an auction when a seller goes out of his way to list AS-IS. For some reason that causes me to think that AS-IS, is actually sellers code for "I am actually selling a big steaming pile of dog crap, and when you receive this package from me I have also enclosed a quarter, with it, you can please feel free to call somebody who gives a sh*t, but don't contact me" Anyone else feel the same way?

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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:15 pm

Blackmoor wrote:Here is the start of the list

caliverbooks

defreville43

Please feel free to add any others!!

From eBay

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to write to eBay regarding User Id's
defreville43 and caliverbooks.

We have thoroughly investigated your report and taken appropriate action
in accordance with our policies.

I can confirm this member is no longer a registered user. Due to privacy
law, I am not able to discuss the details of another members account
further.

I would like to thank you for your help in keeping eBay a fun and safe
place to trade.

Kind regards,

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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:48 pm

Well that proves that EBay do take something's seriously, I assume I will have a similar response when I get home. Currently at work!!!

With regard to 'as-is' I agree 100% once I see that in a listing, the page is closed. I don't even bother wasting my time reading any more.

With regard to the 'un-gummed' stamps. While I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, such items have no philatelic value. Current definitive stamps sell for only a few pounds a kilo, not anywhere near it's face value and stamps in this condition are valueless. So surely this can be the only purpose they are being bought for, fraudulent postal use.

Sadly I am a closet stamp collector. (Please don't hound me from the forum).

I wonder if EBay will act against these listings or will they say they are collectirs items. Let's see.

I have contacted the Royal Mail, to see what their view is. Will let you know the outcome.

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