Traveller wrote:It's a fortunate thing that I only come here to chat on the forums and pay little attention to the prices, but I take offense to the thinly veiled invitation to leave over the expression of a VALID criticism. Price fixing, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, is a legitimate concern here. To me, you have issues to address, and I really do not believe I am the only one who feels that way.
traveller wrote:It's because of this very issue of trying to maintain the value of the 1st print Woodgrain at $2200 that I pointed out that ONLY a median grade should be used in actually determining the prices of items. By doing that, it reduces or even eliminates the possibility of price fixing, because you're not looking for anything in grades other than the one you're using to determine the values. There is no doubt that in the case of that woodgrain, somebody is going to take a hit in the proverbial pocketbook, but it's a lot more fair and impartial to use a middle grade as your baseline and determining the price points for other grades using percentages than to utilize the highest grade and work down. It's also far less work for the valuation board if you think about it, because then they don't have to worry about chasing after some schlep only to find out that the guy bought a piece of crap.
traveller wrote:One added thought. If you had read what I said earlier in this thread, there is no such thing as mint when it comes to book collecting. The best you can hope for is that the book hasn't been read, which is what Very Fine entails. These are books, and should be graded using the same criteria that is used in the book collector market.
traveller wrote:The system is flawed, and there are no two ways about it. Time to take the valuations back for reworking, because as they stand right now, they aren't working.
Switch from a comic book based grading system to an actual book system, since you are dealing with books.
Use Very Good as your median price and compute the prices for lower and higher graded items based on the average of all items in Very Good grade.
Be impartial in your grading, and do not take print runs, rarity, or age into consideration when grading an item.
Incomplete items cannot grade at anything more than Poor, or whatever the lowest grade is.
Make sure safeguards are implemented to prevent price fixing. What those safeguards are I leave to you, but if you want us to trust your pricing structure, those safeguards need to be present, and need to be communicated to everyone.
killjoy32 wrote:keep up the good work guys, its a bummer of a task, but my total respect for being big enough to carry it out.
FoulFoot wrote:The system is beta, which I've stated before. But we're coming around to circular arguments here. If you think the situtation is so hopeless, why are you even bothering to comment on it?
Ralf Toth wrote:Wow. There is not a single word in darkseraphim's post, that I disagree with. Thanks for putting down my very thoughts in a language much more eloquent than I ever could write.
VG grade prices: 2001/08 2003/06 2004/12 2005/02 2005/06 2005/02 -> 2005/06 trend Chainmail 1st 350 750 500 440 345 Chainmail 2nd 175 175 175 180 225 Chainmail 3rd 30 20 20 25 OD&D 1st 750 1250 1250 1000 1275 OD&D 2nd 350 650 650 460 525 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) OD&D 3rd 350 350 350 310 360 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) OD&D 4th 140 140 90 120 OD&D 5th 140 140 85 114 OD&D OCE 100 60 45 63 Greyhawk T1st 110 110 110 85 90 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Greyhawk 35 25 21 24 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Blackmoor 1st 35 20 48 78 Blackmoor 35 20 20 23 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Eldritch Wizardry 1st 30 25 48 84 Eldritch Wizardry 30 25 16 20 (not shown as an increase) Gods, Demi-Gods & Heroes 1st 30 20 45 84 Gods, Demi-Gods & Heroes 30 20 16 20 (not shown as an increase) Swords & Spells 1st 25 25 32 36 (not shown as an increase) Swords & Spells 25 25 16 19 (not shown as an increase) Basic Set 1st 40 50 50 41 72 Basic Set 2nd 18 18 22 27 Basic Set 3rd 18 18 18 21 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Deities & Demigods (w/Cthulhu) 40 30 26 35 (not shown as an increase) Monster Manual 1st 85 125 65 60 84 Player's Handbook T1st 85 85 65 108 Player's Handbook 1st 85 30 45 51 (not shown as an increase) . B3 orange 250 250 250 320 429 B10 30 30 26 30 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) GDQ1-7 40 40 41 57 (not shown as an increase) H1 40 40 45 64 (not shown as an increase) L3 20 20 20 25 (not shown as an increase) R1 80 75 75 65 99 R2 80 75 75 65 96 R3 80 75 75 65 84 R4 80 110 110 75 96 RPGA1 100 125 125 90 150 RPGA2 100 125 125 90 120 RPGA3 100 125 125 90 120 RPGA4 100 125 125 90 90 (shown as a decrease) ST1 650 1000 1000 775 1215 WGR1 35 35 29 24 WGR4 25 25 24 27 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Dwarven Glory 1st 175 500 500 210 360 Dwarven Glory 2nd 65 65 65 105 135 Dwarven Glory 3rd 65 65 65 90 129 G/Tower of Inverness tourney 400 650 650 450 765 Jade Hare (coverless) 100 120 120 90 114 Jade Hare (w/cover) 350 650 650 450 570 Lost Caverns of Tsojconth 400 650 650 450 480 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Lost Tamoachan tourney 400 650 650 450 600 PotVQ (w/o folder) 175 500 500 330 360 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) PotVQ (black folder) 175 500 500 330 360 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) PotVQ (3rd) 175 350 350 180 210 (not shown as an increase) PotVQ (4th) 55 85 85 120 198 PotVQ (5th) 55 85 85 55 165 Pharaoh 350 650 650 500 660 Quest for the Fazzlewood 1st 300 500 500 330 615 Quest for the Fazzlewood 2nd 150 350 350 330 615 Rahasia 350 650 650 500 540 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) . 10th Anniv. Collector's Set 50 200 200 180 315 AD&D Fighting Wheel 50 50 50 45 54 (not shown as an increase) Artists of TSR 100 65 81 (not shown as an increase) Character Archaic 90 175 175 125 138 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Character Records 1975-green 0 0 45 54 (not shown as an increase) Character Records 1976-orange 0 0 25 38 (not shown as an increase) Character Records 1977-lizard 0 0 20 31 (not shown as an increase) Character Sheets (GW) 18 85 85 75 105 Dark & Hidden Ways (w/DSG) 30 20 30 57 Dungeon Floor Plans (GW) 18 85 85 55 39 (not shown as a decrease) Dungeon Geomorphs 1st (per set) 18 18 29 36-48 First Quest (casette) 40 80 80 26 33 (not shown as an increase) First Quest (vinyl) 40 80 80 50 60 (not shown as an increase) Hex Sheets (GW) 18 85 85 47 72 Outdoor Geomorphs 1st 80 80 75 96 Outdoor Geomorphs 2nd 80 80 65 72 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Outdoor Geomorphs 3rd 80 80 45 72 (shown as a decrease, actually increased) Player Character Records AC5 10 30 38 54 Quadrille Graph Paper 15 15 15 27 45 Secrets of the Sages 60 60 60 45 60 Silver Anniv. Collector's Edn. 15 15 16 25 (not shown as an increase) Understanding D&D 30 15 15 9 11 (not shown as an increase) Wild Things (w/WSG) 45 45 30 30 108 . Dragon #1 125 125 125 90 150 Dragon #2 55 55 55 45 72 Dragon #3 45 45 45 23 33 Dragon #4 35 35 35 23 33 Dragon #5 35 35 35 23 33 Strategic Preview #3-6 (ea.) 80 45 54-75 Strategic Review #1 25 25 25 18 17 Strategic Review #2-6 (ea.) 20 20 20 16 9-17 (#2 actually an increase) Strategic Review #7 20 25 25 16 9
Deadlord36 wrote:You're kidding, right? Those are the current "values"?
bclarkie wrote:Just to clarify on the above listed values, and you can correct me if I am wrong, but those would be the values for VG condition of those items.