Deadlord36 wrote:Good point, but isn't it more effective (and more enjoyable) to deal with it ourselves? We should keep a Kill Chart to see how many illegal auctions are brought down.
johnhuck wrote:Deadlord36 wrote:Good point, but isn't it more effective (and more enjoyable) to deal with it ourselves? We should keep a Kill Chart to see how many illegal auctions are brought down.Ditto.Unless the PDF hits their sales, then I can't see that WotC are going to be too bothered. So a pdf of anything out of print can't hit sales (well not directly). So we will have to deal with those where we can.But get 3E pdf's up to a huge level and WotC might force eBay's hand. And this could result in a wider policing of pdf's. Nice thought. But unlikley though.
Deadlord36 wrote:PDF's of out of print material hurts all of us.
mbassoc2003 wrote:Deadlord36 wrote:PDF's of out of print material hurts all of us.Is that on the basis that it lowers the cost of OOP materials? The last ST1 I saw on eBay went for upwards of $1000, yet there has been an ST1 PDF circulating for the past two years?Collectors will still pay top dollar for OOP material regardless of whether or not PDFs are available. I've had a PoVQ PDF for almost a year now, and yet I've just shelled out $880 for a 1st Edition.If you owned a copy of PoVQ or ST1, do you feel threatened or cheated that other people have PDF copies?
bclarkie wrote:The real problem in my eyes on pdf's isn't the short term effects. I think ithe problem lies in the long term effects on the value of the item. The more pdf's of an item there ends up being, the less of a potential "real" collector base there would be. Part of the value of rare items is the mystique the surrounds them, and if the market is flooded with pdf's a lot of that mystique is lost. Look at other types of collectibles. What makes one unique item more expensive and collectible then another? Why do people spend millions of dollars on a Picasso painting and not spend millions on some other artist of equal quality from the same time frame. Its all about how eccentric an item is and the history/story that surrounds the item. "Real" Collectors want to own odd things or things that have a dramatic event or story that surrounds them. The more fakes of an item there are the less chance that has of happening and therfore items lose potential value as less people may want them for those reasons. Just my $0.02
mbassoc2003 wrote:bclarkie wrote:The real problem in my eyes on pdf's isn't the short term effects. I think ithe problem lies in the long term effects on the value of the item. The more pdf's of an item there ends up being, the less of a potential "real" collector base there would be. Part of the value of rare items is the mystique the surrounds them, and if the market is flooded with pdf's a lot of that mystique is lost. Look at other types of collectibles. What makes one unique item more expensive and collectible then another? Why do people spend millions of dollars on a Picasso painting and not spend millions on some other artist of equal quality from the same time frame. Its all about how eccentric an item is and the history/story that surrounds the item. "Real" Collectors want to own odd things or things that have a dramatic event or story that surrounds them. The more fakes of an item there are the less chance that has of happening and therfore items lose potential value as less people may want them for those reasons. Just my $0.02If that were the case, why do UK 1st edition hardbacks of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone go for thousands of dollars. Don't these people know they can walk into any book shop and pick up a copy for a few bucks? Or download a free copy in PDF format from Kazaa?The same could be said for all songs and books that are now deemed to be in the public domain. Why do physical early copies have value when the content is known and freely available? People aren't buying these because of the mystique.
bclarkie wrote:It could be for the same reason that people in the States 5 years ago were spending thousands of dollars on Ty Beanie Babies. I think its more of a fad and in the end, 20 years down the road people will not be spending the same money. Perceived rarity will also spike a value of an item (e.g 1st/2nd prinitng Dieites & Demigods) but eventually the market will corrects itself in the long term if the item(s) turn out to not be so rare.
As a "Reader" rather than a "Collector" of OOP items, Im struggling to see why I should care that the value of low-mid rarity items has come down.
mbassoc2003 wrote:If that were the case, why do UK 1st edition hardbacks of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone go for thousands of dollars. Don't these people know they can walk into any book shop and pick up a copy for a few bucks? Or download a free copy in PDF format from Kazaa?