killjoy32 wrote:RWilson wrote:Hi,I am kind of a collector but mostly I just like to read the cool old stuff: where do you go to get a pdf of ST1? This thread is quite the tease....someone answer me before something drastic happens!!!!well first of all you need to get hold of the mod then use adobe acrobat pro to make a pdf and then voila! :D :D :D
RWilson wrote:Hi,I am kind of a collector but mostly I just like to read the cool old stuff: where do you go to get a pdf of ST1? This thread is quite the tease....someone answer me before something drastic happens!!!!
afoolandhis$ wrote:bclarkie wrote:Heh, I know of a Canadian buyer who just happend to find a pretty nice Lost Caverns of Tsojconth at a used book store for $1.99. Sure, DRIVE the stake through my heart, would ya.
bclarkie wrote:Heh, I know of a Canadian buyer who just happend to find a pretty nice Lost Caverns of Tsojconth at a used book store for $1.99.
bclarkie wrote:First off, I do not know if you found my post insulting, but it was not intended to be. I can also respect your desire to want to use the materials for play, but I am sorry that is not justification for you to have to pay less to get the same material that I have paid for because you are willing to settle for a copy. I, like Al, am by no means anywhere near rich. However, I chose to pay a fair amount to get the stuff that I want because it is my hobby. As far as paying an honest price for material you are basically saying that even though that there were only 1000 printed 1st print Woodgrain box sets 30 years ago of which many were detroyed over time so who know how few actually exist now that the going rate is not a fair price. IMO if you want it bad enough, you will pay the going rate to get it, if you dont want it bad enough then you wont. If you find that insulting then I really dont know what to say. I mean shit why bother to set different prices for homes, cars, appliances, etc., because I would love to live in a mansion instead of an apartment, I would love to drive a Mercedes instead of a Cavalier, and while I am at it, I also want a 60" LCD TV with a full Dolby Surround sound system.
Llaurenela wrote:As I noted, if a 1st printing Woodgrain Box of OD&D were offered for sale, I could mortgage my house and buy it, but I would not do so since it would be irresponsible to do so.
johnhuck wrote:Llaurenela wrote:As I noted, if a 1st printing Woodgrain Box of OD&D were offered for sale, I could mortgage my house and buy it, but I would not do so since it would be irresponsible to do so.I agree completely. What you really need to do is lower your sigths. Maybe a 3rd print woodgrain. Does anyone have one for sale?
Llaurenela wrote: I did not at any time say that the going rate for a 1st print Woodgrain box was not a fair price for the original item. But I also contend that a reprint of the contents of the books inside the Woodgrain box clearly labled reprint 2005 on the cover would not in any way affect the price that on a small number of collectors would ever pay in the first place. My home is paid for, I could mortgage it to pay the going rate and buy a copy if it were offered, but that would be an irresponsible thing to do. It is disingenious IMO to argue that a reprint will affect the actions of hardcore collectors when bidding on rare items.
Llaurenela wrote: You might use your credit to buy a 1st printing for $15,000+ or whatever it is they would go for, but as a widowed mother of twins I could never justify doing so, although I am capable of raising the money to do so.
Llaurenela wrote: As for the prices that I noted above for a 5th & 6th printing, I bought both my 5th printing and my 6th printing for under $50.00 each between January and April of this year. I find it rather odd that prices have doubled in the last 6 months, that to me indicates something fishy is going on.
Llaurenela wrote: As for your contention that eBay prices are fair market rates, I am a bit skeptical of that:cgi.ebay.com/Dungeons-Dragons-White-Box ... dZViewItemThis is one of many listing where IMO the buyer would be a sucker. I consider this to be a unethical listing. First of all IMO it is questionable to describe a 6th printing as rare and it is definitely not ethical to not identify the printing in the listing.
Llaurenela wrote: bclarkie wrote:.pdf forms of damn near every TSR item are already out there FOR FREE, you just have to be willing to violate copyright law to get them. If you pay for a .pdf then you are a fool in my opinion (note I have bought pdfs from drivethrurpg so yes I am a bit of a fool).What you call being a fool, many people call being honest. I have bought .pdfs at rpgnow, I won't do business with drivethrurpg, when I print something to use, I don't want the text obscured by a big prominent watermark and if I am going to do business with someone I don't appreciate being accused in advance without evidence of being crooked which is what the use of the watermark does.
bclarkie wrote:.pdf forms of damn near every TSR item are already out there FOR FREE, you just have to be willing to violate copyright law to get them. If you pay for a .pdf then you are a fool in my opinion (note I have bought pdfs from drivethrurpg so yes I am a bit of a fool).
bclarkie wrote:I do not believe one has exceeded $2500.00 yet.
harami2000 wrote:bclarkie wrote:I do not believe one has exceeded $2500.00 yet.*coughs*
bclarkie wrote:harami2000 wrote:*coughs*D, Do you know something that I don't know?
harami2000 wrote:*coughs*
harami2000 wrote: Apparently so.
harami2000 wrote: (oh, and "missing flap and pages" = "fair"?OK, maybe I'd agree, but that's a personal rather than Acaeum assessment of condition )
bclarkie wrote:harami2000 wrote: (oh, and "missing flap and pages" = "fair"?OK, maybe I'd agree, but that's a personal rather than Acaeum assessment of condition )I am going out on a limbe here and saying you think by Acaeum standards it would rate poor.
harami2000 wrote:johnhuck wrote:I agree completely. What you really need to do is lower your sigths. Maybe a 3rd print woodgrain. Does anyone have one for sale? Heh. All I want from that auction are the ref sheets, so I won't bid you up to more than $1,500, Llaurenela. *jk*
johnhuck wrote:I agree completely. What you really need to do is lower your sigths. Maybe a 3rd print woodgrain. Does anyone have one for sale?
bclarkie wrote:Llaurenela wrote: What you call being a fool, many people call being honest. I have bought .pdfs at rpgnow, I won't do business with drivethrurpg, when I print something to use, I don't want the text obscured by a big prominent watermark and if I am going to do business with someone I don't appreciate being accused in advance without evidence of being crooked which is what the use of the watermark does.I didn't write that quoted material, Jeff<gamersrest[FNG]> did. I have never actually purchased any pdfs(other that the Dragon Magazine Archive that is ) and I have no desire to own them personally.
Llaurenela wrote: What you call being a fool, many people call being honest. I have bought .pdfs at rpgnow, I won't do business with drivethrurpg, when I print something to use, I don't want the text obscured by a big prominent watermark and if I am going to do business with someone I don't appreciate being accused in advance without evidence of being crooked which is what the use of the watermark does.
Llaurenela wrote:What you call being a fool, many people call being honest. I have bought .pdfs at rpgnow, I won't do business with drivethrurpg, when I print something to use, I don't want the text obscured by a big prominent watermark and if I am going to do business with someone I don't appreciate being accused in advance without evidence of being crooked which is what the use of the watermark does.
Marlith wrote:Do you need Acrobate Professional. I thought that allowed you to create PDF files that could be filled in. To just create PDF files I think all you need is the Standard Acrobat ($199.00) version. There is also a great little program called PDF995 that will allow you to create PDF files.
GamersRest[FNG] wrote:Llaurenela wrote:What you call being a fool, many people call being honest. I have bought .pdfs at rpgnow, I won't do business with drivethrurpg, when I print something to use, I don't want the text obscured by a big prominent watermark and if I am going to do business with someone I don't appreciate being accused in advance without evidence of being crooked which is what the use of the watermark does.I am sorry, I did not mean to confuse you there. My comment had nothing to do with honesty vs theft, just a note about scarcity vs value. I personally place no monetary value on that which is not scarce. As such I think buying .pdfs is silly. Buying something like the Dragon Magazine Archive is different, as you are purchasing the physical artifact which is scarce, even if you are just buying it for the pdf files.~jeff