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Post Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:28 pm 
 

I was looking at  some auction prices on Ebay and came across this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6505053496

Item number 6505053496.  By the sounds of it, the seller thinks they are real but none of the Strategic review have any colour.  Are they fakes?

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:47 pm 
 

Mars wrote:I was looking at  some auction prices on Ebay and came across this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6505053496

Item number 6505053496.  By the sounds of it, the seller thinks they are real but none of the Strategic review have any colour.  Are they fakes?

Thanks. Missed those...

The seller is actually consigning these lots, including the one I mentioned previously http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 4521290576 for someone else.

They're not exactly experts in their own right...
Yup. Those "SRs" needed flagged, I think, in that context.

This is the response I got in reply to that second one, when all I was asking for was better scans of that $1,500 BIN auction, as noted on the "Silliest Price" thread...

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"Thank you for your mail. I understand your concern in relation to condition and state of the books in regards to their price. As stated in the auction, the first 26 issues are contained within two hardcover compilations, which was a commercially available product released around the era of issue #100. This product is a consignment sale, and this listing is based on the wishes of the owner. If it sells at the desired price, "bonus" in my books! :) If not, it will be up to the owner what to do with them."
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Hrmm....????

  


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:53 pm 
 

Mars wrote:I was looking at  some auction prices on Ebay and came across this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6505053496

Item number 6505053496.  By the sounds of it, the seller thinks they are real but none of the Strategic review have any colour.  Are they fakes?


My .02---> First off, the Stratgic Reviews do look really fake in the picture provided, because as you pointed out, there is clearly no color at all.  Secondly, in regards to the Dragons, of all the people that use this site and all the research and knowledge of its members that frequent it, it doesn't seem any one here has ever seen Dragon's produced and/or released in a commercial form in a PLAIN black binder. Also, notice the TOTAL lack of any writing, artwork, coloration, or engraving. I mean look at how Dragon Magazines are always so colorfully produced and artfully illustrated,  it just doesn't make sense that they all of a sudden out the blue the decided to produce these great magazines in these dull non-descript binders that don't even say Dragon Magazine on them.  On top of that, it seems pretty unlikely to me that you be able to fit 12 or 13 full size Dragon's in that binder, it is just way to thin.  If I had to guess, the previous owner either photocopied or physically removed the old magazine articles(leaving out all the ads, promos, etc.) and put it into the binder(s) accordingly. It could also be a situation where someone bought the Dragon Magazine Archive collection disks and just used the article pdfs,  printed them out by on a computer and put them in the binder.  Additionaly, the fact that the seller also is being totally evasive when being probed further about the auctions, just leads me even more to think that something is really amiss.  I wouldn't be going anywhere near those auctions and I would strongly suggest the same to others.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:12 pm 
 

Interesting.  This M&T Assortment lot isn't color either:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW


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Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:33 am 
 

Mars wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6505053496
Item number 6505053496.  By the sounds of it, the seller thinks they are real but none of the Strategic review have any colour.  Are they fakes?

The buyer just received these today. Let's just say they're none too chuffed...

Even supplied me with a link to a useful online resource he found after my message reinforced his initial doubts.

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Cool site, apparently 8)


Thanks again, <Mars> :)

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:59 am 
 

I believe that Aaron had something like this a while back that someone had hardbound, maybe best to ask him... thats the only time I have seen it done..

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"Thank you for your mail. I understand your concern in relation to condition and state of the books in regards to their price. As stated in the auction, the first 26 issues are contained within two hardcover compilations, which was a commercially available product released around the era of issue #100. This product is a consignment sale, and this listing is based on the wishes of the owner. If it sells at the desired price, "bonus" in my books! :) If not, it will be up to the owner what to do with them."
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Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:14 am 
 

beasterbrook wrote:I believe that Aaron had something like this a while back that someone had hardbound, maybe best to ask him... thats the only time I have seen it done..

Brette:)

Thanks for the reminder on that, Brette...

Yeah, it's the "commercially available product released around the era of issue #100" quote I really don't like the look of (and in combination with those SRs, too).
Early Dragons were valuable and scarce enough long before that to consider rebinding en-masse, I'm sure, and I never heard of that sort of reprint, either... especially in something so plain.

I've got the second volume bound (somewhere) and seen the first done in exactly the same format (went for $90-100 or thereabout, I think).
Would've guessed contemporary (like National Geographic and others used to do).
Looks nothing like those in the pics and somewhat thicker, even for a single volume.

#1-15 and #16-26 also makes no sense in numbering terms and the remaining issues ain't in brilliant nick, either.

Would be somewhat worried an optimistic or clueless snipe bid's gonna go over the reserve...

  


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Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:24 am 
 

I got

>>" All pages are affixed to the binding still."

He is saying that they were glued in to binders...  a buit stupid I grant you, but people did do that with magazines...

  


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Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:45 pm 
 

Sounds like someone may have had these bound, like libraries do.  Perhaps they're ex-library copies???


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Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:36 pm 
 

red_bus wrote:I got

>>" All pages are affixed to the binding still."

He is saying that they were glued in to binders...  a buit stupid I grant you, but people did do that with magazines...

OK. I still haven't got a clue what to make of this.

Was hoping the seller would at least show me a nice color cover for #1, even if somehow was bound in to such a small volume...

And "commercial available" is still not working for me, IMHO...

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:58 am 
 

well if it was me selling to you and you genuinely wanted to know, i would make the most effort i could - cos you DO wanna sell it dont you? and after all, an extra few pics costs nothing at all really...... dont understand the mentality of some ppl at all. i have the same problem sometimes when i ask questions...you just bang your head against the wall....

*sigh* good luck in your findings mate! :)



  


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:03 am 
 

Interesting. This M&T Assortment lot isn't color either:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &item=5951 940160&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


Note that this seller's "Private" feedback has tanked in the last month. (At least for now...) it shows as a 98% on the item page, but the details are very different.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:29 am 
 

red_dawn wrote:Interesting. This M&T Assortment lot isn't color either:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &item=5951 940160&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


Note that this seller's "Private" feedback has tanked in the last month. (At least for now...) it shows as a 98% on the item page, but the details are very different.


hehe i just went to look and "the item has been removed by ebay" - figures tho doesnt it? :)



  


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:16 pm 
 

Actually that item has not been removed from Ebay, the link that was posted didn't map over right in the post. Here it is:

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... eName=WDVW

I actually think these items are ok for a couple of reasons. For one, sometimes the cardstock that those m&t's are on fades real easily, and if you look closely you can see that they are colored light blue, just not real brightly.  Also, I actually bought from that seller before and she was excellent to me.  Her feedback rating took a hit because of a  shipping cost squabble with just one international bidder over several items.  The bidder ID is ronsmith6 and you can actually see in the feedback left for others by him, and it will give a better story than it appears.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:06 am 
 

jut read it....i've seen juliabulia before - never dealt with but seems a cool ebayer to me...

i understand what the guy is saying, but imo hes out of order. $25 handling on 23 items doesnt seem excessive to me, after all its only like $1 or so per item. not saying i agree with it, but its hardly excessive. in the end hes stuck really, cos he didnt ask. i have been in the same position where someone has done that to me, but if you dont ask, then well its your own fault. and of course, in the end, if you really want the stuff, then its hardly extortion. i know a few ppl around who are damn good at that!

hardly fair to leave negs tho if youre happy with the items and the blackmailing scenario is just plain out of order..... poor juliabulia :(



  


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:51 pm 
 

Yea, I can see where both can be somewhat at fault in that situation. I can also see where both can feel like it wasn't their fault too. Just a lack of communication on both ends leads to hard feelings for both as well.  Although, in the end, it was probably too harsh to leave 11 negs for the seller, as it seemed that neutrals probably would have conveyed a little better message that items were fine but that they had a dispute over the shipping costs.  Additionaly though, I don't think it is wise on the sellers part to hide their feedback, because it just makes it seem more like they are trying to hide something. When you are a bidder its different, but I think as seller, that unless you have 100% positve feedback, when you make your feedback private, it will really hurt your sales in the end. I mean, baring the fact that you ARE really are trying to hide something, its better for bidders to see that the negatives that someone gave you was over a simple shipping dispute, and not that you were stealing people's money or shilling your own auctions. I believe that if you leave it up to people's imaginations that you are hiding something, they will steer clear of you and bid on someone else's things, although that is probably a discussion for a different thread........

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:12 am 
 

yeah ppl who make their feedback private will always arouse my suspicion. i have an instance of that with someone i bought some books from and through another source i found out that they were total sh*t and nothing like what was advertised and am now on the verge of litigation against them - thats providing i can stop myself driving 40 miles to the guys warehouse and filling his face in first :D

but not long after the auction his feedback went private....what the muppet didnt realise, was that his feedback still showed up in the "ME" section....and so you could see what others were still putting :)

but yeah negs thru shipping - you will find most ppl are quite understanding and will see that for what it is, all coming from 1 person.

the seller should be more than clear about their shipping charges (incl handling) and the buyer should abide by whatever is quoted, whether you agree or not. you DONT change the amounts you send off your own back - what is that all about!!! :)

i think this is one of them instances, where you need someone to intervene to resolve the situation fairly for both parties....sort of like a mediating person? 11 negs should trigger something like that....



  
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