mbassoc2003 wrote:There are editorial notes and corrections made to City of the Revenaunt, deletion of 'house rules', recommendations that 'passage comments be moved to the back of the module', and other errata.
mbassoc2003 wrote:I am trying to determine whether the manuscript was playtested and amended with notes (late '78 early '79 from discussion on another board with Steve), and then edited/reviewed by Gary (or another editor) for comment on meeting Dungeons & Dragons module publication criteria (possible during 1980?).
mbassoc2003 wrote:Steve said that he used it in his campaigns quite a lot, and that he DM'd it himself as a tournament late in '78 and during '79.
mbassoc2003 wrote:This module would appear to have been developed for Steve's own campaign universe (and house rules/gameplay style)
mbassoc2003 wrote:....and at some point in this manuscript's history, it has been thoroughly edited with a view to being published as a D&D module (and by someone with good spelling and grammer).
mbassoc2003 wrote:At what point I do not know, but it would seem to have occurred after play-testing, as some editorial comments refer to playtest notes.
mbassoc2003 wrote:The date of 'possibly 1980' was a blind stab in the dark by me.
mbassoc2003 wrote:I would like to know more about the life of this module though, and I suspect only Steve has the answers.
harami2000 wrote:You keep saying "module"... That's kinda like saying "orange spine" in the context of the Planes material! (Although you have slightly more justification, perhaps).
harami2000 wrote:Well, would you have put in a high bid if you knew it was nothing to do with Gary Gygax at all?
mbassoc2003 wrote:How would you refer to the content or the manuscript? Suggestions?
mbassoc2003 wrote:I think I would have paid what I paid for the manuscript regardless of whether Gary was involved in it's development or editing.
mbassoc2003 wrote:It is tied directly to the development of Steve's concepts of the Planes of Existance, and if I had had the opportunity to snipe on that auction, the end price would have been higher.
mbassoc2003 wrote:Besides, unless Mayfair have the original squirrelled away somewhere, or Paul took photocopies, this manuscript is unique. I think the odds are in my favour.
mbassoc2003 wrote:.... Maybe I wouldn't have won though. Mike gets what Mike wants.
improvstone wrote:Not always ... still working on the world peace thing ....
harami2000 wrote:"Scenario" sounds fine to me. Is generic enough to cover campaign scenario or adventure scenario. (Later used/revised/reworked for tourney play(?).... but am still looking for firm evidence that you've got both "old" and "new" material in there beyond the 1977 Cupric Text extract).
harami2000 wrote:*g*. OK. Suffice to say you'd've had much tougher competition, then...
harami2000 wrote:Don't know whether Mayfair ever received a copy of this in the first place. (Also don't know whether Steve got his stuff back from them; and if so, would have thought all of it must have come back given the tone of his letter!).
ElaikasesMaster of the Marsh wrote:Hmm, some of the notes are mine, I'm not sure who else played with that one (Gary did see it at one time, I don't know if he commented on it -- I did not realize I had that copy until Paul sold it -- all for the better, but that left me not quite as ready to comment on it).Spelling corrections would be an editor's work, not mine and if they are consistent with Gary's handwriting, could well be his.Gary has always spelled much better than I have (though I'm learning, finally).
harami2000 wrote:*wonders again what Gary did with Steve's Elaikases material from back in 1975/6*
mbassoc2003 wrote:I've tracked down one of my discussion threads, David. Check it out.http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8672
harami2000 wrote:Rather than old Dragons, you really need old A&Es/TWHs.
mbassoc2003 wrote:harami2000 wrote:Rather than old Dragons, you really need old A&Es/TWHs.I don't know these? Expand please.
harami2000 wrote:A&E = Alarums & ExcursionsTWH = The Wild HuntNFB = News From BreeTC = TrollcrusherUO = Underworld OracleO&W = Owl & WeaselTBH = The Beholder
stormber wrote:Howdy All,Ralf Toth wrote:Surely the success of the Sutherland auctions might have raised an eyebrow or two? My wild guess is that Mr Sutherland recommended the "Collectors Trove" to Mr Marsh...Anyway, it's great to see all these old original manuscripts and stuff on eBay. Good luck with the auctions, Paul!Thanks Ralf. One TSR alum heard that I was a "Grand Master of Collecting" and decided to drop me an email! Actually, he was talking about the materials online and I emailed him to ask if he'd like me to auction off his collection. I think he was pretty suprised that I was able to organize the collection into so many lots. I think Steve inititally thought the Planes Stuff would all be in one lot.I have a few other TSR alum that are also calling on me to auction their collections. Hopefully, I'll be able to bring these to you folks after Christmas.Futures Bright,Paul
Ralf Toth wrote:Surely the success of the Sutherland auctions might have raised an eyebrow or two? My wild guess is that Mr Sutherland recommended the "Collectors Trove" to Mr Marsh...Anyway, it's great to see all these old original manuscripts and stuff on eBay. Good luck with the auctions, Paul!
invincibleoverlord wrote:Improvstone wrote:I might just produce a hard back ... Maybe I will even commision the original D&D artists ... I really hate the look and feel of the 3ed stuff. Give me Elmore, Easley, Parkinson any day!If you're serious Mike and want a partner I'd publish it with you. Credit and royalties would have to go to Steven and other's for sure, anything extra we could spend on more D&D stuff . The artists you mentioned are some of my favorites too; maybe we could even find an older unpublished piece of art to go with the "lost manuscript" it would be a nice tie in. Just think a new 1st edition AD&D hardback rulebook with era cover art! 8O 8O
I might just produce a hard back ... Maybe I will even commision the original D&D artists ... I really hate the look and feel of the 3ed stuff. Give me Elmore, Easley, Parkinson any day!
harami2000 wrote:OK; a little assistance from owners of early A&Es and TWHs would be appreciated! *I'm fairly sure the various pages from the two zine sets mentioned below in the Steve Marsh auction were not included in one of the above, for the reasons stated (more certain of the first).If anyone knows otherwise, plz let me know ....aside: is Steve's online quote "Do I plan to start work again:? Probably not, but you are welcome to pick up where I left off." an open invitation to approach re. his other material, too?*