mbassoc2003 wrote:During our discussions Steve said he DM'd Revenault in '78 and '79. He could not recall details of the tourneys or name significant players. It was his opinion that City of the Revenaunt would make a good 1E AD&D module, and its existance on its own little demiplane ties in nicely with his development/exploration of the Planes of Existance.
mbassoc2003 wrote:Does anyone know of any other existing copies of the City of the Revenaunt or Planes of Existance manusripts, either in whole or in part?
mbassoc2003 wrote:I believe the original manuscript was passed to Mayfair Games along with a copy of the Planes of Existance manuscript (reworked), just prior to them folding.
harami2000 wrote:harami2000 wrote:Was waiting for Allan, Mike or Mike to add more, but I do have further dating evidence to support the chronology as well as a "teaser review" (in feedback format) from another person to whom Steve sent a bound (copy) of the "Plane of Fire" in mid-1983.OK; think this one's worthwhile/somewhat amusing in the current context.(aside: Mike <invincible>/Paul, did the bound copy tally with the date, above? I didn't bookmark that auction).
harami2000 wrote:Was waiting for Allan, Mike or Mike to add more, but I do have further dating evidence to support the chronology as well as a "teaser review" (in feedback format) from another person to whom Steve sent a bound (copy) of the "Plane of Fire" in mid-1983.
stormber wrote:harami2000 wrote:OK; think this one's worthwhile/somewhat amusing in the current context.(aside: Mike <invincible>/Paul, did the bound copy tally with the date, above? I didn't bookmark that auction).Yes I believe there was a 1978 date on the materials but the bound draft copy had a copyright 1983 contrary page.
harami2000 wrote:OK; think this one's worthwhile/somewhat amusing in the current context.(aside: Mike <invincible>/Paul, did the bound copy tally with the date, above? I didn't bookmark that auction).
mbassoc2003 wrote:Steve indicated that he spent a while exploring the City as part of a regular campaign. I take from this that he had already explored the idea of the City as a regular module as opposed to a tournament module. His time DMing the City in this respect would explain his preference for it to be rewritten as a regular 1E module.
harami2000 wrote:Actually, I find myself somewhat at odds with Paul's method of stripping out the "commercial" material and dumping the rest into a mis-identified lot. (Basic research would have flagged up that it wasn't just A&E, TWH, etc., material).
harami2000 wrote:IMHO, definitely goes against the "Now you have the opportunity to be a curator of a portion of this legacy, care for it well and enjoy!" ethos when the underpinning material has been fragmented, thus.(Goodbye to all that creation myth stuff, and suchlike).JMHO, of course...
stormber wrote:In the end, I figured the person who won the "miscellaneous" lot would be someone very passionate about sussing out all the secrets it held. Obviously, I was right.
stormber wrote:If I had sold this as one whole lot, I'd have gotten about $2,500 for everything. Instead, the auction earned over $4,500 and there are still mor items to auction.
harami2000 wrote:Were there actually dates on the "Plane of Fire" manuscript materials?
harami2000 wrote:The whole feel is that Steve created the majority of the materials prior to Gary's reinvolvement late-1979 onwards, (despite the early Blackmoor connection).(*whistles for "Dragon 32... 35, 37, 67, and 73"*)
harami2000 wrote:Would like to know the date on this item from the collection, since it appears to be the earliest direct contribution from Gary?
stormber wrote:Listen, Steve worked at this thing for many, many years, time after time he was disappointed. Promises were made to him that were never kept.
stormber wrote:It seems you guys are falling right into line - lets see if you can carry it to completion. Steve tried for over 10 years, will you?
stormber wrote:That bound draft was submitted to the TSR Game Design Department as a way of showing everything to date.
stormber wrote:Most of the materials were developed as early as 1969 by Steve, regarding Fire, Air, Water. Although the rewrite of this early material was in 1978.
stormber wrote:Including the reworked Starstrands module. Gary and Steve believe the material was simply destroyed. Just like all of that artwork... fools.
stormber wrote:harami2000 wrote:Would like to know the date on this item from the collection, since it appears to be the earliest direct contribution from Gary?June, 1980
stormber wrote:However, I think that is a gross mischarcterization. We have about 40% of the materials involved in this project. The rest are lost, certainly some 80% of Gary's material is gone forever.
mbassoc2003 wrote:Which other question?
harami2000 wrote:Is the city in your tourney module named?
mbassoc2003 wrote:harami2000 wrote:Is the city in your tourney module named?It is called Tarshish.
harami2000 wrote:mbassoc2003 wrote:It is called Tarshish.*YAY*Excuse me for a second; I've got to go berate Paul again...
mbassoc2003 wrote:It is called Tarshish.