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Post Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:50 am 
 

Badmike wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:I believe the copy Steve gave us is on dot-matrix printer paper!!!!!)

For those who still question, THAT is old school! :)

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:32 am 
 

Holy "thread-necromancy" Batman! Ii'd be in to buy any authorized reprints and derivatives  :D


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:54 am 
 

Steve Marsh wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:Bad Mike has my permission to reproduce and share anything I've written (in the manuscripts) and to do derivative works from them.

Just to be perfectly clear.


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Not putting any pressure on you, but it seems you need to get to work!   :D

(PS - count me in for anything that comes down this pike....)


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:30 pm 
 

Badmike wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:
Steve Marsh wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:Bad Mike has my permission to reproduce and share anything I've written (in the manuscripts) and to do derivative works from them.

Just to be perfectly clear.


We'd have to reformat it, for the first hurdle (I believe the copy Steve gave us is on dot-matrix printer paper!!!!!)  When we do, we'll let you have a pass-through with the editor's pen, Steve, before we print it up...

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I'd say it will take more than one pass through ... ;)

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:52 pm 
 

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Badmike wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:I believe the copy Steve gave us is on dot-matrix printer paper!!!!!)

For those who still question, THAT is old school! :)

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If it doesn't have a foam pad to prevent the printer arm from slamming into the inner side with each line return (which would otherwise break the printer or send it flying off a shelf), it's not a real printer :)

  

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:56 pm 
 

Excellent news, thank you.

Apologies, apparently I didn't reply to your question back in May 2012, Mike. (About my usual response time in that case... :/)
Badmike wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:The items included would be the letters and partial writings included in the items originally bought by Faro (which Doug has now, you can confirm this if it's true David, I believe so).

Yes; per the 2009 posts I sent over a large bundle to Doug as a freebie to help mesh things back together a bit better in one location. There may still be a few odds-and-ends kicking around in the boxes but if anything of significance turns up that'll follow.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:22 am 
 

faro wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:Excellent news, thank you.

Apologies, apparently I didn't reply to your question back in May 2012, Mike. (About my usual response time in that case... :/)
Badmike wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:The items included would be the letters and partial writings included in the items originally bought by Faro (which Doug has now, you can confirm this if it's true David, I believe so).

Yes; per the 2009 posts I sent over a large bundle to Doug as a freebie to help mesh things back together a bit better in one location. There may still be a few odds-and-ends kicking around in the boxes but if anything of significance turns up that'll follow.


Yes the box of goodies is still here and I'm ashamed to admit I've only had a cursory read through of the contents. Ok, time, to get cracking on this I suppose...!

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:02 am 
 

Badmike wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:
Steve Marsh wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:Bad Mike has my permission to reproduce and share anything I've written (in the manuscripts) and to do derivative works from them.

Just to be perfectly clear.


We'd have to reformat it, for the first hurdle (I believe the copy Steve gave us is on dot-matrix printer paper!!!!!)  When we do, we'll let you have a pass-through with the editor's pen, Steve, before we print it up...

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:00 pm 
 

Probably not going to get done by NTRPG con...i may be able to give Steve a copy at the con this year, though, so he can make any editing changes he wants.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:01 pm 
 

Badmike wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:Probably not going to get done by NTRPG con...i may be able to give Steve a copy at the con this year, though, so he can make any editing changes he wants.

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Hah, I should have been following this thread.

So far, in the way of scans I have:

.pdf of Mistworld -- I kept that pdf, gave the original (that the scan was taken from) to Bad Mike.

.pdfs William sent me.  Realized he had Song Smiths but not Harpists.  Garg.  If only I had started giving things away to the right people sooner rather than selling them.  Anyway, did a search for Harpists hoping to find a copy of them on-line somewhere.  No luck.  But it did bring up this thread which made me read it.

.pdfs of the Plane of Shadow I gave Bad Mike this week end.  Oh, and the printer's original for the print copy as well, the "Bad Mike" copy (I made everyone who got a copy countersign it with their name so you can tell where a copy came from.  Mike has copy #0, people who ran in my events at NTRPG Con have copies and William has copy 1).

Currently:  trying to decide what to work up next. Caught between Fire and Starstrands.  William has promised me a preference.

Why did Plane of Shadow get written up and redrafted for NTRPG Con this year?  Someone asked for it.  When I said "will work for feedback" I wasn't kidding.  The final project had two Alyssia Fayden maps (she cut me a discount on map making), a number of illustrations (some I had to pay for, others I got licenses for free), about thirty dollars in materials and a little more than five hundred dollars at kinkos for the printouts for the con.  And about twenty flash drives with the .pdfs on them for various people I promised copies (like Doug Rhea, who kindly returned the flash drive though when I asked him why he didn't want the gift, he was more than willing to take it back).  The flash drives are miniature swords.  I bought out the current inventory that was being offered through Amazon for con gifts.

Lawrence Schick and a few others wanted some of the hardbound copies.  I had planned to give away a total of five to collectors at the con.  I got one given away (to William).

But it was really fun.


----------------- reprise -----------------------

1.  I still do not have .pdf copies of anything, other than what William sent me and Mistworld.

2.  Plane of Shadows is in a solid rough draft form, not more than 200 or so pages of manuscript with maps, illustrations and two scenarios.  Bad Mike and William have copies.  Kinkos messed up the gray scaling of the artwork so I'm disappointed, Bad Mike's copy is unfortunately in color so it isn't gray scaled properly.

3.  I'm still looking for Harpists.  Song Smiths fit a different framework.  I'm wishing I'd made the .pdf  copies of things people thought I made (though I really though that there was a .pdf of Harpists somewhere.  Maybe there is a jpeg scan or something or maybe I was just hoping that there was a scan out there).

4.  Trying to decide what to work on next.

5.  Big Dragon Games expressed an interest in trying to publish The Plane of Shadow.  Bad Mike expressed an interest in publishing the two adventure scenarios that went with the Plane of Shadows (one set in Shattered Norns, one that bridges into the Plane of Shadows).

-------------------going forward ---------------------------

Will still work for feedback.  Or for things sent to a good home (last year I found a number of items of correspondence with Gary Gygax that had been filed in the wrong place.  I gave them to William and Bad Mike at last years NTRPG Con.  Made me happier to have them in a good home than the money from selling them would have.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:05 pm 
 

This is the errata page, the cover page and the edited Umbral Teras document set.

BTW, someone is bound to notice that "Further, this area folds over into other realms of Shadow" was written before the con and my discussion with Tim Kask.  I admit that I wrote that, but didn't mean it the same way I mean it now (as a reasonable situation rather than an anomaly I have to think of a way to justify).

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:07 pm 
 

Compare:

If anyone wants any more .pdfs, you will have to hassle Bad Mike. ;)

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:51 pm 
 

Thanks for the update and for posting those files to take a look through.

Just curious, who did you commission to do the illustrations you paid for?

  


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:15 pm 
 

Les Garner.  Lots of details in the credits.

I've attached a couple of the jpegs (the psd files are huge).

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:31 pm 
 

simrion wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:Holy "thread-necromancy" Batman! Ii'd be in to buy any authorized reprints and derivatives  :D


If someone wants to make .pdfs who has the originals, I'm more than willing to authorize them to distribute copies (given the copyright rules that apply).  I've never stood in the way of that.  I would be very, err, uncomfortable with someone who doesn't have possession of the originals distributing .pdf copies.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:01 am 
 

I feel extraordinarily honored to be one of the individuals given the opportunity to countersign one of the books at the Con. I am a huge admirer of yours and I consider that book to be, by far, the Jewel of my modest collection.

As of late cons have been a whirlwind of activity for me and most of my acquistiions while attending are put away for later reading. Not this one though, even for the 15 or so minutes I spent scanning and admiring the book I saw much I liked. Your short explanation regarding alignment before Part II is my favorite example. The top half of that page contained the clearest and most succinct four sentences I have ever read discussing what troubled me for years about alignment. You were right about the amoral vs. immoral considerations. its lack of nuances' do limit many situations by ignoring motive and agency. The official definitions/explanations had bothered me for a long time.  To see it put forward without being sandwiched between angry forum posts makes me feel relieved.

Relieved of the burden of reading about alignment in online forums again.

That is truly a mighty gift :)

Thank you again. If there is ever anything I can do for you, whether in my capacity as a faux publisher, huge fan or fellow game enthusuiast, please do not hesitate to ask.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:30 am 
 

"If there is ever anything I can do for you, "

You identified yourself as Nogrod.  You helped me reach my goal of getting five copies of the con scenario into the hands of collectors, so you did your part.  My thanks to you.

So you, William and Bad Mike (I'm not sure if copy 0 really counts as a copy since it was the printer's original).  Only two others that I was hoping to give away at the con.

Let me know your thoughts once you've had a chance to look at it.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:22 pm 
 

Curse you Marsh, I have to read it. Have to. It's mammoth.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:40 pm 
 

Steve Marsh wrote in EGG / Stephen Marsh manuscript:You helped me reach my goal of getting five copies of the con scenario into the hands of collectors, so you did your part.  My thanks to you.You helped me reach my goal of getting five copies of the con scenario into the hands of collectors, so you did your part.  My thanks to you., ".


I feel it is a welcome change for me to be part of a goal rather than a quota :) You are welcome though for augmenting my collection with an amazing piece that I would never have dreamed of owning.
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Let me know your thoughts once you've had a chance to look at it.



Count on it. I started reading through it again last night for about 30 mins and my initial thoughts are mostly wistful wishes about having played in the scenario last year. I am finding the notes at the beginning of the adventures about the nature of planes and the short explanations of your use of the 5e abomination descriptions to be the most interesting and surprising respectively.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:49 pm 
 

I had one publisher at the con express an interest. Biggest issue was raising the funds to properly illustrate it.

That and as an editor as I'm (a) not the best editor of my own work and (b) my day job.

I will keep you posted if anything comes of the project and very much welcome feedback on what isn't clear, what you would like more (and less) of, etc.

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