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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:25 am 
 

sauromatian wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread:But I agree with you, a cry & a cuddle is what the world needs sometimes, though I'm not sure how far an online group can provide it.


It is so easy to reframe someone's words by removing context and then lying about their meaning and intent. What I actually said was...

mbassoc2003 wrote:I don't think chav is a culture. I was referring specifically to the gang and knife culture endemic within specific communities in English) cities.

Up here in Scotland it's mostly junkies feeding habits. We are not as ethnically diverse as England, and don't have the gang/knife crime problems to the scale that English cities do. The problem up in Scotland is our own homegrown addicted and their feral kids. We feed the problem and allow it to breed because we are trying to be the best in the world at creating junkies. But the US is putting up a good fight, and making it perfectly (de facto) legal to shoplift up to $900 a time is a genius move (CA?). Not even our Socialist Party entertained such a notion, and they are full on Marxist in their aspirations. But the pandemic has really destroyed most of our junkies' traditional income streams (burglaries, blowjobs, begging and mugging), so they are desperate. Some are even resorting to stealing dogs and selling them on Gumtree (because they don't have the brains to crawl under a car and cut off its catalytic convertor.)

Because most people are home a lot more now, they have had to cut back on home break-ins. So now the man (almost always) walks up to an old lady or a mother with a child who is walking their pet pooch, punches her really hard in the face a couple of times, grabs the lead and makes off with the dog. The little old lady can't make chase, and often can't even describe her assailant. The mother is stuck between trying to protect her dog and trying to protect her child, no contest, and the dog is a nice quick £50 earner, and people are just walking around parks dragging these £50 notes around on strings, and wondering why the weak are having them stolen. Some have even twigged on that whilst the dog is an easy £50 pay out, the toddler is a £1000 pay out if you are willing to fight the mother and can source a buyer. And lets face it, those types are desperate too. Here in the UK we don't allow our women to carry or discharge pepper spray because your average SJW in the UK believes that hurting those who want to assault/abuse women and children is wrong, and what they really should be doing is offering them a cuddle and asking them if they want to talk it through with someone.

In our cities we now have open gang warfare with machetes in public parks and supermarket carparks in broad daylight. I don't think most people in the UK understand what happens when mass unemployment, supply line disruption, and inflation come together. It's like watching a train wreck happen in slow motion. You know what is going to happen. You know what the forces at work are. You know what the actors are going to do, and how they are going to play the victim and pretend they didn't see the train coming. You can read the playbook of the narrators telling everyone on the train that everything is going to be fine, that the train is on a different track, and there is going to be no crash. You can see the first class carriage has decoupled and the gap between cattle class and first class is widening, and you can see the fear and the anger in cattle class, and watch the fighting amongst the inadequate alphas beginning to break out.

Yet, not one in a thousand will choose to act differently.

With these sorts of things, I think it is better to be a spectator than a bit part actor.[/b]


If it suits your need to troll, then so be it. If you agree that cuddling and talking through abusers problems with should take precedence over allowing women to carry pepper spray, so be it. Whether you do or don't, please do not edit my words to make out that I sympathise with those who assault and abuse women, just because you are able to hide behind your keyboard and troll anonymously.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:54 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread:If it suits your need to troll, then so be it.


Basically, but what about your needs? I can't reach out & hug you online, so it's up to your local population of chavs to be there for you. That's what 'chav' means, doesn't it?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:28 am 
 

sauromatian wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread: Basically, but what about your needs? I can't reach out & hug you online, so it's up to your local population of chavs to be there for you. That's what 'chav' means, doesn't it?


I think 'chav' is an English thing, but I don't know. You would have to ask the person who posted that pejorative what they meant by it.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:48 am 
 

I think you both need a hug  :roll:  :lol:


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:52 am 
 

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:24 am 
 

What is a Chav in British slang?  This is a derogatory British slang word for a young hooligan who normally starts fights and makes trouble. “Chavs” are usually seen as lower class.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:08 am 
 

Tbh, chavs are more like your back to front baseball cap, drug smoking / small time dealing, wearing Burberry and Nike Air 95’s. Non working, scrounging layabouts who expect to be kept.

Not necessarily lower class, but general so, as we have a lot of upper class with a lot of those traits too :lol:


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:16 pm 
 

So that’s what he’s on about. In Scotland we have non-educated delinquents. Or Neds for short.

Here we call junkies junkies which is why I used the word junkies. I thought that was pretty much a universal pejorative for drug addicted criminals, and that it couldn’t be misconstrued, but there you go.

The gang culture and stabbings are predominantly an ethnic choice of pastime. Some cultures prefer to express their youthful hi-jinx stabbing and murdering one another, which is fine. They keep it to themselves and seem to have a wail of a time expressing themselves in song after the hunt. I never quite understood the thrill seeking side of pushing a knife into another person’s body, but then again I wasn’t raised in that culture, I had a father at home, and I learned to read books. But the ethnic stabby gang thing, at the moment, is an insular English city thing for the most part, and so long as they keep to themselves and their mums are happy raising and burying their kids with no interest or thought in providing an alternative outcome, it’s a self extinguishing problem.

Up here the problem is the plague of junkies. We are seeking to be the world leader in breeding them, and outside of California where they are really raising the bar, I don’t see anywhere else that can compete with us. In regard to Neds which I think are our equivalent of what chavs are, I don’t know to what extent they exist or are a problem. Maybe they have migrated towards drugs and are junkies. Maybe the constant shitty weather means that we don’t have hands of delinquent youths roaming the streets. Who knows. We certainly have hundreds of lone junkies roaming the streets and parks looking for prey, and I’m in a relatively small town. Our cities have tens of thousands of the things.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:43 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread:the thrill seeking side of pushing a knife into another person’s body,


That may work for neds or chavs, but what about mbassocs? Mbassocs need love too. Your cry for help in the wilderness need not go unanswered!

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:00 pm 
 

... I can smell troll. Or is it weed? It’s so hard to tell them apart online.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:23 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread:... I can smell troll. Or is it weed? It’s so hard to tell them apart online.


Exactly, which is why you'll have to go out among the neds & the chavs truly experience the love. May I suggest a little instructional viewing? Gran Torino (2008) comes to mind, but I think The Omega Man (1971) could be inspirational as well. Whatever works for you.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:30 pm 
 

Sorry. I don’t understand the cryptic claptrap. Elucidate.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:49 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread:I think the equivalent in Scotland would be ‘Ned’ and that I don’t think they exist either.


Which is why The Omega Man could be the best example for you. The main character lives in a depopulated world, but I think it symbolizes that he no longer has a connection to the outside world. The only people who are real to him are characters who resemble the various delinquents you have described above. Have you considered volunteering at local community centers to work with troubled youth?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:58 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread:
Which is why The Omega Man could be the best example for you. The main character lives in a depopulated world, but I think it symbolizes that he no longer has a connection to the outside world. The only people who are real to him are characters who resemble the various delinquents you have described above. Have you considered volunteering at local community centers to work with troubled youth?


I’ve spent way too much of my early life (pre-family) trying to fix my little part of the world. It is not fixable. Not with money. Not with outreach programmes. Not with welfare. I doubt it can even be fixed with incarceration. Some people want to live in shit, steal, maim and kill those around them. You cannot force a woman and a man to marry and raise a healthy child.

I see what you are saying there. I also see that the US has spent 50 years or more throwing trillions of dollars, social scientists, outreach, rehab, and community workers and councillors at the problem, and all they have managed to do is destroy the marriage rate and increase violent crime, drug addiction and welfare dependency in the neighbourhoods they target. That is a 100% failure rate.

In the UK we have done the same, albeit at a slower rate of degradation. Smaller country. Less resources. Slower rate of destruction in the target communities.

I’ve also travelled a fair bit, and I have to say that removing money from the equation does not appear increase the crime rate or lower the marriage rate.

In fact the most successful intervention I was witness to was a high school girl who became pregnant. She gave birth just after turning 15. Her eldest brother was hounded out of town by the local youth on suspicion of incest. The belief was that she would be a good mother, and a group of married mothers got together to form a support group. They rented her a flat in a different town, set her up with a job at an OAPs home where some of the mothers worked, and made sure she learned about bank accounts, rent, budgeting and all that.

Last time I checked in (which was 20 years ago or so now) she was doing well, settled and maturing. Her brother was working construction, still kept in contact and had a stable life. And her father was serving 18 years in a military prison for his abuse.

Alas, most of the other stories are ones of decades of drug or alcohol addiction, removal of children, kiddy ping pong around agencies and homes, and all manner of despicable acts by those paid by the people to care for troubled families. Or, ‘I can’t feed my kids, because I have to pay for my satellite TV, my mobile phone contract, my cigarettes, and the food for our dogs.’ We have the richest ‘poor’ people anywhere on the planet. Our poorest people live better lives than 99% of human beings that have ever existed. They have unlimited absolutely free healthcare.

I have seen poverty. Poverty does not exist in the United Kingdom. Maybe ‘faux poverty’ does because it fits a political agenda. But not food poverty. There is no starvation. There is no destitution. There is no hopelessness. I have seen those, and those are fixable.

Nope. Pretend poverty, learned apathy, and single parenthood are not fixable. Not in this part of the world.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:55 pm 
 

Nothing shocks me anymore...

$20,000 Price Tag Of San Francisco Trash Can Prototypes Stuns Residents, City Leaders – CBS San Francisco

...and CA blames all it's ills on everyone and everything...but it's elected officials...  I could care less actually but the blame lies squarely at the feet of the voters. You wanted it, you got it, now enjoy your trash cans, suckers.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:57 am 
 

Sir Kill Alot wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread:Nothing shocks me anymore...

$20,000 Price Tag Of San Francisco Trash Can Prototypes Stuns Residents, City Leaders – CBS San Francisco

...and CA blames all it's ills on everyone and everything...but it's elected officials...  I could care less actually but the blame lies squarely at the feet of the voters. You wanted it, you got it, now enjoy your trash cans, suckers.

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Do you have to pay for them yourselves? Or is it the “council” who pay? Either way, that’s ridiculous.

However saying that, I work for our postal service. The company just “trialled” for 6 months at a large expense, new uniform. It’s a ****ing t-shirt and shorts effectively. What’s to trial??? You have to order everything that’s now available even if you’ll never wear it, like 3 different types of hat.
Anyway, we’ve now just been chased to order our new kit by the end of this month. Delivery? Summer 2022.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:19 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread:Sorry. I don’t understand the cryptic claptrap. Elucidate.


This may have been the wankiest sentence ever seriously uttered. :P

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:32 am 
 

Can I just make a plea here for some calm and thought - its easy to be rude from a keyboard or to hammer out a rant when you are bored. And lord knows I like a bit of distraction too!   :lol:   ... But the place for online snark is facebook and twitter (or at least I hope so, its why I go there). Not our cosy collecting clubhouse!

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