I have 3 negatives, each one is bullshit.  lol 2 of them are from me buying stuff, some chick never sent me the book, she was later booted off ebay.  other guy wanted to charge me $20 to ship a 1 pound book to me that I won for $5 from canada va ground!  I told him to shove the book up his ass, think he has like 400+ negatives still running he overcharges on s/h on everything 5x as much.  Last was for a truck bed cover I sold for a friend(never sell stuff for friends!).  Damn thing was too large to ship by normal means, I told the guy the only way I could ship it to him was va truckline and he would have to pick it up at the nearest terminal.  Guy turned out to be a real freaken dick, he wanted it shiped only to his house which would have cost $50+ more and I wasn't going to pay it, then he wouldn't accept just his money back he wanted the cover shiped to his house and I had to pay the extra s/h lol Some people!  Anyways what I am saying is feedback doesn't mean shit, really.  People leave postive all the time even when they get shafted just so they won't get a neg feedback from the seller.

darkseraphim wrote:Wow, complete condecension.  OK.  I think I'll leave it with "Fuck you, piss off" and end the discussion.

Easy Darky ... I think Aneoth just apologised ....

For me, the main point in the discussion so far is that a seller is free to sell to whom he chooses. Irrespective of who was in the wrong in previous dealings, if Dark would rather not deal again with Aneoth, that's his choice. You can debate who is in the right on the previous dealing, but if Dark is more comfortable in not risking a similar misunderstanding happening again, then accept he'd rather lose potential business than take another neutral, and move on. Plenty of other people selling stuff on ebay to choose from.

My personal opinion is that if I was left a neutral for something as subjective (and petty) as whether an item has moderate wear or moderate-heavy wear without being contacted about it first, I'd probably be reluctant to deal with that person again. Nothing personal, I just don't need the agro.

Apart from that, ebay's feedback system does suck. Neutrals are viewed as negatives, for all practical applications.

Regards

Mike

Aneoth wrote:With your last response you have just demonstrated your corruption to all who read this thread. Furthermore, you have done so in vivid print, in stunning fashion, and in public.

Well, this thread sure got stupid while I was sleeping.  I'm not going to comment on bids/auctions/whatever, but cursing?  Maybe it's because I'm Canadian and we curse all the time (we don't have guns), but I didn't think it was a big deal.    Completely off topic, I know, but the topic wasn't exactly pro-active, anyway.

Aneoth, careful. If you wanted to ask advice, you could have done it without putting his name on it in the post. This has left you open to ridicule by exposing someone who is well regarded by the other posters.

Neutral may not seem like a big deal to you, but I assure you, as a frequent seller, I am similarly sensitive to the fact because it makes you look bad for somethign you feel you shouldn't.

He explained to you why he didn't want to do business with you. It may suck, but thems the breaks. Responding in a long, condescending rant was probably the wrong way to go.

This kind of went the wrong way from the start; it would be better to just look for another seller.

mdr003 wrote:I read through the thread again, and it might just be me but I can't find any apologies.

Aneoth wrote twice ...

Aneoth wrote:"....I have now seen from the above responses, that I should have contacted you before presenting the feedback. So now I am quite sure that I screwed up. I suspected it before, but I was unsure. Now I know it is so....."

While I don't agree with Aneoth's original approach admiting his mistake was a good step forward.  I also belive Darkys 4 letter response in this forum is uncalled for and it is not a response I expect from a professional and highly respected seller.

mdr003 wrote:...but I think you enlarged your insults to all members of the forum, not just Dark.

Funny, I don't feel as if I've been insulted.

While Aneoth in my mind did not take the best path to the resolution of the situation (always always always avoid discussing things like this in public), he did in fact apologize twice for the error, which means that he in fact has learned what the best path is.

Aneoth, while not exactly guiltless in this, at least had the decency to respect the other members of the forums, darkseraphim included, by refusing to stoop to darkseraphim's level and resorting to cursing.  Now perhaps he misunderstood Aneoth.  I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.  But nothing, and I mean nothing is a satisfactory excuse for a business owner resorting to curse words.

If you are in the public eye as a representative of your business, it is incumbent upon you to present yourself in the most professional manner possible.  Anything else and you are left with a negative public image that people will remember.  That negative public image will cost customers if not checked at the door.

As an example, I had a business owner on the business' message board (not saying which one) chew me out for attempting to provide support material to a game which at the time was out of print.  I turned right around and told the business owner that if this was the way he treated his customers I was amazed that he had any.  I promptly left that forum and have not returned there in a year and a half.  I haven't bought any of their product either, and never will.

There is an old adage in business that for every good experience by a customer, he tells one of his friends, and that friend tells another friend.  For every bad experience though, he tells ten, and those ten tell ten of their friends.  How many of Aneoth's friends who don't visit The Acaeum but do purchase online will he tell not to shop with darkseraphim?  How many will I tell, because I will not do business with people who fail to show the customer basic levels of decency and respect?

Deadlord36 wrote:All right, close this soap opera. All points have been made and read, all opinions voiced. Please don't make this a Frank thread of old, guys.

Not so fast!  I want my name on this thread too.

Wow!  Away from the forum for a couple of days and this kicks off.  

darkseraphim wrote:Wow, complete condecension.  OK.  I think I'll leave it with "Fuck you, piss off" and end the discussion.

However, taken out of context, this post gave me the biggest laugh in ages.  But I do enjoy hearing/reading people swearing.

Personally, I have a long list of blocked bidders.  Most of them are people who have gone out of their way to criticise one of my auction listings rather than just f***ing off and bidding on another auction.  And similarly there are plenty of sellers who I would not buy from (unless they had listed something in the wrong category with a low BIN of course   I'm easily bought on matters of no importance)

I agree that neutral=negative as far as most are concerned.  Whereas neutral or no feedback should be the norm.  Only if someone does something out of the ordinary should they deserve positive or negative.  And ordinarily people pay in good time and goods are packed well and sent in good time.  But the feedback dice were cast long before I started using eBay and I went the same way before I realised that it didn't work.

How I've managed to avoid any neutrals/negatives in that time is beyond me.  But I now have an illogical fear of them and go out of my way to avoid them.  I'm sure I'll get one as soon as someting goes missing in the post and the seller holds me responsible.

Maybe people should have to pay to leave +ve/-ve feedback.  OK, bad idea.  eBay make far too much money already.

Please note that this was all written without the use of <sarcasm></sarcasm> or <condescend></condescend>

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Handbags away now please.
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Here is the problem with ebay's feedback system.

At this very moment, I have some A-hole (international) who refuses to pay actual shipping charges to his location. It is $9 for GPM and he will only pay $7. The auction quotes to Europe at $11 GPM in general, so he already paying less than quoted.

We all know where this is going. I report him to ebay as a nonpaying buyer and he negs me. Sure, I can neg him back, but I could give two shits about his feedback rating, I care about mine.

Like Breach, I always leave feedback for my buyers first. Rarely do I have a problem - though I do have two neutrals from some idiot.